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To: BroJoeK

“By “these men”, you are referring to whom?”

Spirited: Certainly not the Christians, but rather Max Planck and Einstein, whose god was akin to Spinoza’s pantheist conception:

“In a letter to Hans Muehsam (30 March 1954), Einstein said: “I am a deeply religious nonbeliever... This is a somewhat new kind of religion.” [Einstein Archive 38-434]

In a letter to a child who asked if scientists pray (24 January 1936), said: “Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man... In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.” [Einstein Archive 42-601]

In a letter to M. Berkowitz (25 October 1950), Einstein said: “My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.” [Einstein Archive 59-215] http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.html

“Planck’s God, it seemed, was nothing more than an “ideal Sprit.” His beliefs could be described as pantheist, but certainly not Christian. His idea of faith was akin to having a working hypothesis. Planck did not believe in a future life. http://freethoughtalmanac.com/?p=2011


64 posted on 09/24/2013 11:40:07 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
spirited irish quoting: " 'Planck’s God, it seemed, was nothing more than an “ideal Sprit.”
His beliefs could be described as pantheist, but certainly not Christian.
His idea of faith was akin to having a working hypothesis.
Planck did not believe in a future life."

First of all, we should not be so surprised if G*d appears to a scientist more like a Super-Scientific working hypothesis than the Suffering Servant from Second Isaiah.
Plank was not the only scientist to feel that way.

Second, there are circa two billion Christians in around 40,000 denomination spread amongst five general groups, and none teaching precisely all the same doctrines.
So you have to allow for some slack in doctrinal uniformity amongst different denominations.

Finally, here is a summary of Max Plank:
"He won the 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics and is considered the founder of Quantum mechanics.
He had been raised an observant Lutheran and was an elder in his church from 1920 to his death (1947).
In 1937 he delivered the lecture, "Religion and Natural Science", stating that both religion and science require a belief in God."

So I'd say, if you are going to claim that an elder in a Lutheran Church is "not Christian" enough for you, then really that is a problem of your own making having little to do with reality as most people understand it, FRiend.

65 posted on 09/24/2013 1:35:56 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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