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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "I think we have reached the point where you just like to repeat refuted statements.
I posted three times the list of the Declaration signers and their Church affiliation.
I conceded 4 of the 55 may be of your persuasion "

I'm saying that your listing is incomplete.
If you look up each individual in the "top tier" of our Founders -- Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Hamiltion -- you'll find that all of them were, as I've said here before, to a more-or-less degree influenced by Enlightenment Age ideas on theism/deism, Unitarian and/or Freemasonry.
All of those men are considered Christians, yet none (so far as I know) ever expressed a belief in full-blown Trinitarian theology.

Surely, George Washington himself was typical of our Founders.
Here is a discussion of his religious beliefs.

That's why I'm here defending them against possible claims of "Damnable Heresy".

2,760 posted on 01/03/2014 9:51:11 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
"All of those men are considered Christians, yet none (so far as I know) ever expressed a belief in full-blown Trinitarian theology."

On his third voyage, Columbus sailed south along the east coast of Africa and was caught in the doldrums, a notorious condition of no winds and intense heat. After drifting aimlessly for eight days, the winds returned, but now they were running low on water. Columbus promised to name the first new land he discovered in honor of the Trinity. Sighting an island off the coast of Venezuela this day, July 31, 1498, which coincidentally had three peaks, he gave it the name Trinidad. There they obtained fresh water and in the process were the first Europeans to see South America.

2,763 posted on 01/03/2014 10:11:29 AM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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To: BroJoeK
All of those men are considered Christians, yet none (so far as I know) ever expressed a belief in full-blown Trinitarian theology.

No they just belonged to churches which confessed the Trinity. So again the issue of the secret life. I would quit using the Masons as an argument. You can't provide evidence any of those men were practicing Masons and could have just gone to the lodge for a nice meal and political connections.

2,768 posted on 01/03/2014 10:40:26 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: BroJoeK
I'm saying that your listing is incomplete.

Come again? 55 signers of the Declaration of Independence. I gave the math. 1 a deist, 1 maybe deist, two Unitarians. 51 from orthodox churches with Trinitarian confessions.

2,773 posted on 01/03/2014 10:53:24 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: BroJoeK
If you look up each individual in the "top tier" of our Founders -- Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Hamiltion -- you'll find that all of them were, as I've said here before, to a more-or-less degree influenced by Enlightenment Age ideas on theism/deism, Unitarian and/or Freemasonry.
All of those men are considered Christians, yet none (so far as I know) ever expressed a belief in full-blown Trinitarian theology.

Firstly, you argument from silence is invalid. Indeed, a mud puddle has more depth.

Secondly, maybe this will refresh your memory.

Franklin was responsible for bringing France into the Revolutionary War on the side of the Colonies, which proved to be of vital importance to cause of independence. He also went to Paris in August 1781 to negotiate the Treaty of Paris, which ended the War with the British on September 3, 1783. The terms of this treaty were described as “so advantageous to the Colonies that it has been called the greatest achievement in the history of American diplomacy.”500

In the name of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity. It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, … and of the United States of America, to forget all past misunderstandings and differences.… Done at Paris, this third day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three.

D. Hartley
John Adams
B. Franklin
John Jay

2,775 posted on 01/03/2014 11:24:51 AM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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