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To: BulletBobCo

Texas may as well have to. Unfotrunately, the fedgov monster will more than likely come down on Texas like a ton of bricks, with total carpet bombing and no prisoners. Kinda like the soviets did when they dropped the iron cutrain. Oh, and did I forget that the country just south of you, and their sovereigns (illegals) will side with the obama regime in taking you out. Texas is in the middle of a shit sandwich, and the feds know it.


14 posted on 09/10/2013 11:22:59 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
Unfotrunately, the fedgov monster will more than likely come down on Texas like a ton of bricks, with total carpet bombing and no prisoners.

Not even close to likely. This isn't 1861. Americans no longer have the stomach to engage in mass blood letting over a purely political question of union.

Should Texas (and any other red states) decide to secede, there would be a ton of words thrown, but no bombs or bullets. The political will and backbone to compel a wayward state into remaining in the union through military force does not exist.

47 posted on 09/10/2013 1:44:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: factoryrat
Unfotrunately, the fedgov monster will more than likely come down on Texas like a ton of bricks, with total carpet bombing and no prisoners.

While I think the description is a bit extreme, I'll concede the possibility.

However, few people outside of Texas know that when Texas joined the Union as a state, we retained the right to control our public lands. IOW, the feds may claim sovereignty over them, but only as far as it pleases the state to allow them. In addition, more Texans bear arms than our illegal invasion force from the south and enough to give the feds a major headache should Obama literally think he's Lincoln and try to force us back.

I think we have good odds of making it stick if we want to.

99 posted on 09/10/2013 9:57:14 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for the American politburo!!)
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To: factoryrat

I like Texas’ chances. Any attempt to quell a secession at with force at this point would probably unite many progressives with conservatives.

The thing about progressivism in the populace is that there is some kind of unifying principle behind it in most cases. It can be that the ‘Man’ can’t be trusted, or that God shouldn’t be in my business, or ‘I should be free to do what I choose’, or ‘I believe in the ability of Government to do good’.

Among the political class, the calculus is more crass - as long as our interests are aligned, I’ll help you achieve what you want - by any means in most cases - if you do the same for me.

Obama blew that calculus apart, of late, for the political class. I’ve had very vocal liberals approach me of late shaking their heads about the NSA and Syria. They are also getting nervous about Obamacare too. Privacy is a very big deal with many liberals because, at base, the stuff they may decide to indulge in isn’t something they want revealed.

At this point, everything they excoriated conservatives about for decades - police state surveillance, patriot act abuses, war for oil, trying to dictate proper living to ordinary people, pro-big business/anti-labor policies - have been multiplied and intensified by Obama.

Many of progressives believe religion is the reason why wars start, not money. Folks are starting to wake up to WHICH religion is the root of it - Islam.

Progressives have no place to go, and many aren’t willing to reevaluate why they feel the way they do about conservatism. Under ANY circumstances country-club conservatism won’t do, and neither will Moral Majority conservatism.

Small government conservatism, however, has a chance.

90,000,000 out of the work force. You start talking about whacking back unemployment BEFORE you demonstrate to people there’s a legitimate economic way out of this mess and you lose.

No way federal soldiers will obey orders to invade Texas, or any other state. Period. The idea of a lot of the NWO crowd was the only way to break sovereignty of someone like the US was to use UN troops to occupy us.

Good luck with that.

Secession into regional blocks is probably coming.

Texas would be in pretty good shape EXCEPT they have no water. None.

You’ll know Texas is getting serious about secession when large scale, sustainable desalination starts getting serious discussion.

To beat Texas, you dam the rivers. They have serious groundwater availability problems already (wells need to be as deep as 400 to 500 feet, where 20 years ago they were only as deep as 100 feet).

If they start to address this water issue as a primary ‘economic’ objective, then I believe they are serious about secession in the near to immediate term.


124 posted on 09/12/2013 8:29:20 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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