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To: sickoflibs

Now you are really changing subjects. You brought up federal income taxes,claiming that NO-ONE would pay their income taxes if all their income wasn’t reported.

I assert that you were wrong ON THAT POINT, which has nothing to do with people paying their “use tax” on purchases. I used three examples of people who did try to not pay all their FEDERAL INCOME TAXES, and yes they were all democrats, which is why we know about the conservative complaints, but the complaints were NOT based on them being democrats or raising other people’s taxes, the complaints themselves were that people should pay the taxes they owe.

Furthermore, I am not whining that you must write more checks. I am making a factual observation that legally you are required to do so, and that by not doing so, you are committing a violation of law, and are therefore acting in an illegal manner, and are subject to fines, penalties, or imprisonment (none of which are remotely likely to happen because states are simply NOT enforcing their “use tax” laws).

I am also pointing out that the crime is not victimless, because most of us cannot avoid most of our tax burdens, so given that the state WILL collect their money, if some citizens cheat on their taxes, it will simply cause the state to raise other taxes that they CAN collect.

As a perfect example, Virginia, because of the loss of sales tax to out-of-state sales, just passed a law increasing the sales tax, with a further increase to happen automatically if the feds don’t pass the federal sales tax collection law.

That change will cause ME to pay higher taxes, in order to cover the loss in taxes from the tax cheats who are not paying their taxes.

This is NOT a case where you are righteously defending the freedom of taxpayers by denying money to your “dem governor” — it is a case where you are burdening your fellow citizens with a higher tax burden in order to have a lesser tax burden of your own.

If you really wanted to be principled about denying your “dem governor” his taxes, you could do so in the manner of the blacks who publicly broke the laws of segregation, willing to be arrested so as to make the point against the atrocities. OR you could be more aggressive in your stealth campaign by committing other illegal acts which would take even MORE money from your government, like forging a 501C (non-profit) form.

I am certainly NOT saying you should or need to do either of those things — just noting that your attempt to claim some righteous mantle of tax fighter does not match your actions.

If someone lives in a state where a gun they currently own is now illegal to own, I would point out that owning the gun was illegal, and they were risking arrest and imprisonment. But keeping such a gun would be a victimless crime, just as speeding is a victimless crime. I doubt that Jesus would be on the side of breaking the law to keep a weapon, but each person has to decide their own religion — Jesus did not seem though to be that concerned with arming the citizens against their civil government, even though the government he was under was certainly evil and oppressive, and in fact did great harm to his people.

In summary though, I would make a distinction between victimless acts and cheating on taxes. Tax cheating is not victimless. Still, I’m not trying to order you to pay your taxes, or whining about it. Some people when they learn that they actually were supposed to pay these taxes DO start paying them, but not everybody cares anymore about the rule of law.

Maybe, sadly, you are right, and most conservatives would be rioting in the streets with the liberals if they thought they could get away with it.

Once you decide that you can cheat the “bad government” out of tax money, it is a small step to cheating “bad businesses” — I mean, what part of your argument would not apply to stealing cable from an evil liberal company that takes all the cable money and gives it to liberal democratic causes? Or shoplifting from a nationwide chain of stores that is run by a liberal who supports only democrats for office and funds LGPT and pro-abortion groups?

But no, I like to live in a fantasy world where the average conservative actually respects the laws, even those he/she disagree with, and strive to obey those laws which we are expected to obey. (there are laws we are not expected to obey, like speed limit and drinking laws). BTW, maybe the “use tax” laws are another example of a law we are not expected to obey — in Virginia, I am close to coming to that conclusion, as they punish the rest of us rather than go after the people actually breaking that law.


67 posted on 09/05/2013 10:31:15 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”Now you are really changing subjects. You brought up federal income taxes,claiming that NO-ONE would pay their income taxes if all their income wasn’t reported”

NO-ONE??? Like zero? But you claim you would, thats at least one, maybe.

More like so few would that the system would be worthless and to avoild collapse something different would be put into law.

A perfect example is Obama-care for individuals. Following the law might cost say $7K per year. Paying the fine the first year will instead cost $95 saving ~$6900.
But the the law does not allow enforcement of the fine so noncomplying could save the individual the entire +$7K for not complying.

But you come along and lecture that the bible says we must fully comply with Obama-care because like with state sales taxes, its the moral thing to do.

99.99% will laugh at you, and that is coming in a another month FY14,

68 posted on 09/05/2013 11:24:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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