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To: CharlesWayneCT; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”Now you are really changing subjects. You brought up federal income taxes,claiming that NO-ONE would pay their income taxes if all their income wasn’t reported”

NO-ONE??? Like zero? But you claim you would, thats at least one, maybe.

More like so few would that the system would be worthless and to avoild collapse something different would be put into law.

A perfect example is Obama-care for individuals. Following the law might cost say $7K per year. Paying the fine the first year will instead cost $95 saving ~$6900.
But the the law does not allow enforcement of the fine so noncomplying could save the individual the entire +$7K for not complying.

But you come along and lecture that the bible says we must fully comply with Obama-care because like with state sales taxes, its the moral thing to do.

99.99% will laugh at you, and that is coming in a another month FY14,

68 posted on 09/05/2013 11:24:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs
Here was your statement, so that nobody is confused as to what we were discussing:
Comment 49:
If the federal government had no way of finding out what we earn then no-one would pay income taxes,
So your premise was the conservatives would not pay any of their income taxes if they thought they could get away with not paying, if they thought they could not get caught.

It was that negative impression of conservatives that I attacked by saying I disagreed with you:
Comment 50:

Your suggestion that nobody would follow a law if they could not be caught is a sad commentary.
...
But most people actually do try to pay all the tax they owe, and try to use the political system to change the laws that they don’t like, rather than arguing that everybody has the right to disobey any law they don’t like or costs them money.

Now, about Obamacare:

By ruling of the Supreme Court, the Obamacare mandate is not a law with a criminal or civil penalty. Instead, Obamacare has a tax for which you can get relief if you do what the government wants, i.e. buy insurance.

So in that case, you can legally choose NOT to buy insurance, and simply pay the tax.

Now, will anybody pay the tax? Well, for the first year anyway, Obama has waived the employer part of the tax. But while the law supposedly does not give enforcement for the individual, the IRS is treating it like any enforcement, and they will have all the information they need to hit you with the tax, plus interest and penalties.

Remember, they get to tax you UNLESS you provide information showing that you should not be taxed. They will know how much money you made, so they will know the amount of tax that applies. If you don't send them proof of insurance (realize your company will do that, and in fact is already doing that, if you get insurance through them), then they WILL tax you.

Then, a group will sue the government claiming that the IRS has no right to try to enforce the law, and it will be interesting to see how that turns out.

I bet that a majority of conservatives will be in compliance with the Obamacare mandate -- so clearly I do not think that in that instance, no one will follow that law, but that is only a small part of the federal income taxes, and I most certainly think that even conservatives who chose to try to avoid the Obamacare tax would still pay their other income taxes even if they thought they could get away with cheating.

As to religious morality, again each person must decide their own religious morality, but while I disagree with your assertion that 99.99% of the people would laugh at such a notion as regards a particular law like Obamacare, I also could care less if people laugh at me for following my Christian moral values.

I KNOW people laugh at me for paying the "use tax", but it is the moral thing to do. I cannot find a religious fault with the law, nor do I see the "use tax" as inherently unfair -- in fact, it makes taxes MORE fair by having everybody who does the same thing get taxed the same way, regardless of "how" they do it.

69 posted on 09/05/2013 11:58:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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