Posted on 09/03/2013 2:09:18 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
The serpent is more crafty than any of the beasts of the field. He attacks while retreating, retreating while attacking. He concedes this point, all the while making that point. He is both a tar baby and quicksilver. And we are fools for forgetting it...
...the hard truth is that evangelicals are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married. Hundreds of thousands of them, with barely a word even spoken...
The result is not merely immorality. The trouble with not keeping your pants on isn’t that you offend that great Prude in the sky. The problem is that it leads to death (Proverbs 7:27). How many of our grievous social ills trace their roots to the lie that we can have sex outside marriage with no great consequence? To put it another way, what would this world look like if there were no more adultery and fornication? Because families would be intact, ghettoes and the pathologies that come with them would fade away.
(Excerpt) Read more at ligonier.org ...
“...the hard truth is that evangelicals are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married. Hundreds of thousands of them, with barely a word even spoken... “
If it were only hundreds of thousands of them.
Try millions.
Try tens or even hundreds of millions.
If evangelicals have their millions (and even making "born again" the same as Evangelical-which is not necessarily the same - it is liberally estimated there are 90-100 million Evangelical Americans) then Rome has her billions, or comparative greater numbers.
"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; " (Ephesians 5:3)
See above post
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Reminds me of 1 Samuel 18:7 “And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul has slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.”
Really? Are there hard numbers somewhere to support that? Or is that supposition? If the latter, it is defamatory to say such things without proof. I know people sin sexually, but unless you include lust of the heart adultery, actually crossing the line physically is probably less common than imagined for traditional, Christian couples, of any denomination. I am willing to reconsider this position if credible statistics are available to the contrary, but not on a wisp of supposition.
Last Sunday’s epistle read:”Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, .....those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5: 19, 21) We will not persuade God to change His standards by polls or wishful thinking.
When I first read the statement my mind jumped to being married, and having sex outside of that marriage. But looking at it again, it is worded such that it probably includes premarital sex. Trying to come up with an estimate led me to the following:
From one site:
“...a general estimate of the nation’s evangelicals could safely be said to range somewhere between 30-35% of the population, or about 90-100 million Americans.”
Some other graph showed 10% U.S. population is between 18-24 years old. So say 15% between 18-29 or so. Not sure what average marriage age is, but I would guess that most of the 18-29 are unmarried - so say 10% of any population, so perhaps about 10 million Evangelicals.
How many of these 10 million, single, young people are sexually active? I know that I would have considered myself “evangelical” if the term had been around back when. And had sex with two girlfriends prior to my marriage at the age of 29. Not proud of it now (although I did hold out until I was 24).
Anyway - say 50%??? of them have had pre-marital sex, so that is 5 million. I would hope that the percentage is less, but I have no idea.
It was meant to. Be in this case there is nothing to be envious of. Zero tolerance is what is upheld, though i too have fallen in this regard the past. “And let him that thinketh he standeth take heed, lest he fall.”
Jesus instructed that if we lust after a woman in our heart (simply desire her sexually), it is the same to God as if we slept with her, since God sees what is in our hearts, and judges us accordingly.
Jesus went on to say that, if we so much as call our brother "stupid," it is the same to God as if we murdered them.
"You are either for me, or against me."
There is no "luke-warm." No "middle-ground." No "gray areas."
Such sanctuaries of convenience exist only in the hearts of excuse-making, unrepentant sinners who haven't bothered to inform themselves of Jesus' teachings in The Bible. How can you claim to "love" someone, but then not care to learn about those things which they insist are most important to our relationship?
Like the rest of The Bible, it actually makes alot of sense if you really think about it... and approach it with a sincere love for God and desire to know Christ. Which is not to say that it's easy. In fact, without Christ, it's plainly humanly impossible.
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The destructive effects of fornication are built into our design by the Creator.
So is the natural desire to marry at age 14.
This vast anti-Creation experiment of unmarried persons of the opposite sex working together and living in proximity outside of their father’s homes in their millions from ages 18-30, while remaining unmarried, is not working to the Creator’s purpose and has had the entirely predictable consequence.
Whether someone is “Evangelical” or “Catholic” or “Just Christian”, to frustrate the Creator’s purpose for the sexual faculty for 10-15 years while it is strongest is a formula for disaster, which is what we have.
What we do see is that evangelicals are overall by far the most evangelical survey group, as seen here , and who see fornication as sin even in a "fornination" (or "condomnation") which affirms abomination and is under condemnation and headed for damnation. "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. " (Psalms 9:17)
But as foretold of the latter days, we are becoming too conformed to it. See here for lots of data on that.
21twelve, the question is not how many have had pre-marital sex but how many are sleeping with partners to whom they are not married now.
As for the # of evans, your source was the same as mine in a post above, but see here as regards how surveys determine "evangelical," which usually is lumped together with those who claim a born again Christian experience, but can include many who hardly fit the term "evangelical" after its historical ethos as a movement.
Some surveys classify people according to the denomination they belong to, while Barna uses a basic theological criteria , which finds only 8% of US adults doctrinally qualify as “Evangelicals” (2004 survey), while 38% of US adults classify as born again, but not Evangelical in these basic beliefs.
Well, for one thing, it wouldn't have any of those silly flawed but redeemable human beings in it.
If there were really 90-100 million Evangelicals this country would not be in the mess it is in.
Our numbers are probably not even a tenth of that now .
To many pastors that lead churches which were once considered Evangelical are not even believers and no longer teach the truth and you can’t expect their congregations to have changed hearts and lives. Nope most of these churches are pure Laodicean social clubs.
If there are 100 million Christians in the country, are you really going to argue that less than 1% of them are living in sin?
50% of marriages end in divorce, with infidelity being one of the bigger reasons.
Nah. Mothers-in-law.
I thought this article was interesting:
...we are no longer the moral majority. We are a prophetic minority.
This is an important article. I think the people quibbling over the actual numbers of sexually impure Christians are missing the greater message: we’ve normalized extra-marital sex in Christian culture.
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