Right.
Posted on 08/31/2013 10:54:12 PM PDT by iowamark
A Texas megachurch connected to a pastor who has openly questioned the benefits of modern medicine has been forced to host vaccination clinics after 21 members of the congregation contracted measles.
The outbreak started when a person who contracted measles overseas visited Eagle Mountain International Church in Newark, located about 20 miles north of Fort Worth, Texas.
Officials with area health departments said those affected by the outbreak range in age from 4-months to 44-years-old.
All of the school-age children with measles were homeschooled, and the majority of those who were infected had not been vaccinated.
'If it finds a pocket of people who are unimmunized, and the majority of our cases are unimmunized so far, then if you are around a person with measles, you will get sick,' Russell Jones, chief epidemiologist for Tarrant County Public Health, said Monday...
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that children get two doses of the combined vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, called the MMR.
The first dose should be when they are 12 to 15 months old and the second when they are 4 to 6 years old.
Vaccination opt-out rates nationwide have been creeping up since the mid-2000s, spurred in part by the belief the battery of vaccinations routinely given to infants could lead to autism despite scientific evidence to the contrary and the debunking of one of the most publicized studies that first fueled vaccine fears years ago...
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
It’s like the man who refused to be rescued from a flood, because he had faith that God would save him, then when dies and asks God why he didn’t rescue him, God replies, “I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”
Tell me more about wearing certain types of cloth, etc..
Anyone remember German measles parties?
vaccination is not a cure all. it is too often oversold as a cure all. by medical folks we non-medical folks are often made to feel we have no right to question, much less refuse.
personally i laways like to look at how docs treat themselves. i am amazed at the percentage of how many do not decide to get flu shots each year. no less amazed at how many admit if they got cancer, how many would refuse chemo.
just as enlightening as the fact as a group, public school teachers send their kids to private schools at higher rates than the general public.
I had occasion to help a guy (pay for) attend a church-related ‘cure diabetes clinic’ ....
Two days into it, I discovered the clinic doctor had cancelled all insulin.
Cold turkey withdrawl, if you will.
We had a very long talk (since he kept saying he trusted his prayers to cure the patients’ diabetes ... and I said go ahead and pray but at least give the good Lord a few days to effectuate the cure...restore the insulin and carefully taper it down as you pray....and monitor the glucose levels.... so you can SEE God’s curative powers in action...or something like that....)
Anyway, the issue was resolved only when the doc’s wife told her husband that “all the gentleman wants you to do is practice medicine properly, dear, since you are a doctor after all....”
I really think that medical doctors are normally the ones to consult for medical advice, and pastors are the ones to consult for spiritual advice, and the twain should not ordinarily get too mixed up.
Both trades require a lot of learning and practitioners can make enough mistakes in their own trades without trying to mix into the other.
Just my opinion.
In the absence of vaccination, rubella is an endemic disease with epidemics every 6 to 9 years. During the 1962–1965 global rubella pandemic, an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases occurred in the United States, resulting in 2,000 cases of encephalitis, 11,250 therapeutic or spontaneous abortions, 2,100 neonatal deaths, and 20,000 infants born with CRS.[4]
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt15-crs.html#f4
Rubella is extremely dangerous to pregnant women in the first trimester when many do not even know they are pregnant.
What are the numbers? For example, if 75% of the "anti-vaccine cult" population was not vaccinated, and if only 51% of those infected were not vaccinated, then the infections were higher among those who were vaccinated.
Clearly, the vaccination was ineffective for many who were vaccinated. This story is evidence against vaccination.
Many easily treated diseases had a greater potential for death or other serious consequences years ago.
I will never understand the mindset that can accept that God created disease, but not that he created doctors.
It reminds me of a favorite old joke/parable:
Bob is sitting on his porch as flood waters rise around his house. The sheriff comes by in a jon boat with a few of his neighbors. “Hop on, Bob,” the sheriff says. “Water’s still risin’. It’s not safe here.”
“Naw,” Bob says. “My trust is in the Lord. He will provide.”
The waters continue to rise, and now he’s on his roof. A state patrol motorboat pulls alongside. “Get in!” the trooper shouts over the rushing waters. “We’ve got to get you out of here!”
“Naw,” Bob says. “My trust is in the Lord. He will provide.”
The waters are still rising, now up to Bob’s chest as he sits on the peak of his roof. A Coast Guard helicopter arrives, framing Bob in its floodlights and lowering a rescue collar. “Feed your arms through the collar and we’ll pull you to safety,” the Coast Guard Pilot says.
“———” says Bob, inaudible over the sound of the chopper as he bats the rescue collar away.
After a few minutes, the chopper crew gives up and leaves to look for others. The waters rise over Bob’s head, and he drowns.
When Bob awakens, he is surrounded by a soft white light and feels a peaceful warmth pass over him. But he is not at peace. “Lord!” he cries in anguish. “I trusted in you, as you instructed in your Word. How could you forsake me in my hour of need?”
A booming voice seems to come from everywhere at once. “My child, I sent you two boats and a helicopter. What were you waiting for?”
I posted mine before I saw yours. Great minds, etc.
Did all these poor folks dies from the measles? How horrible!
Measles still has a 2-3% death rate in the US today and 30% in turd world countries and a 90% infection rate in non-vaccinated populations
That death rate would be higher if the vaccination rates were lower.
Measles also causes miscarriage, premature birth and low birth weight.
Right.
Vaccines are very good but not perfect.
Also I trust media about as far as I can throw them to tell us what this place really preached (though the foreign press usually gets US news events more accurate than our crazy MSM). A classical Christian approach would be to make it a matter of individual freedom and not preach that using the vaccine is either a sin or obligatory.
If vaccination is meant to protect against the disease, why are the vaccinated contracting it?
Not sure where you got these statistics, but as far as I can see the rate is more like 0.3%.
That death rate would be higher if the vaccination rates were lower.
No, it would not. The percentage of deaths is determined by the health/environmental factors of the infected population. Once the disease is contracted, being vaccinated or not makes no difference as vaccination is not a treatment and has no effect on the course of the disease. The raw numbers would naturally increase with the increased number of infections, but the death percentage would remain unchanged.
Measles also causes miscarriage, premature birth and low birth weight.
I heard it also causes global warming....
Guess you could say Copeland’s message went ‘viral’.
Right you are. I’m not letting anyone experiment on my children with dangerous, ineffective drugs.
“A Texas megachurch connected to a pastor who has openly questioned the benefits of modern medicine has been forced to host vaccination clinics after 21 members of the congregation contracted measles. “
I hope he doesn’t question Newton’s laws of physics before deciding to jump off the Empire State Building.
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