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What Is the Point of a Syrian Intervention? (Victor Davis Hanson)
National Review Online ^ | August 30, 2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/31/2013 10:39:10 AM PDT by neverdem

Edited on 08/31/2013 10:42:43 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

If our attitude is that Obama screwed up, but that now the least-screwed-up remedy is to attack Syria, then we are indeed in bad shape.

Of the bad and worse alternatives, the worse is attacking without specifying our aims, means, and desired results. Yet to do so would convince Obama to drop the idea.


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1 posted on 08/31/2013 10:39:10 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Hubris of Obama and he supports the Brotherhood. Outside of that.... can’t think of a point unless you consider the epic ineptitude of this administration when it comes to foreign policy.

He’s come a long way from his Cairo speech hasn’t he?


2 posted on 08/31/2013 10:46:21 AM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: neverdem

Where is Waldo Boehner? Why hasn’t Waldo conducted a press conference and slowed this nonsense down?

Where in the world is Waldo Boehner?

Release the evidence to the public.
Was this gas military grade or home cooked?
Have the rebels stolen the gas and set it off accidentally or intentionally?
Did Syria’s shelling accidentally set off stolen gas?

Where is the evidence?


3 posted on 08/31/2013 10:47:20 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: neverdem
From the article:

Libya is a model for nothing. Leading from behind took out a monster in rehab and gave us Islamists instead, with the logical fruition being the mess in Benghazi.

Benghazi is not the fruition of failed US policy in Libya. It is merely the blossoming. The fruition threatens to be far, far worse.

Recounting US involvement in the Middle East, Hanson notes:

All sides’ hating us is difficult to achieve, but they do.

Congratulations, Obama.
4 posted on 08/31/2013 10:50:30 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: neverdem

There is no point in attacking a two bit, nay, penniless dictator.

We have absolutely no advantage in an aggressive action.


5 posted on 08/31/2013 10:53:58 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem
General Obama wants to spike another football.


6 posted on 08/31/2013 10:59:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: neverdem

The only point is 0bama’s sharp middle finger.


7 posted on 08/31/2013 11:02:57 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (“Life is hard, but it’s harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne)
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To: Vendome
There is no point in attacking a two bit, nay, penniless dictator.

Absolutely right! Let them kill each other. Maybe after the King Obama supported Brotherhood and they take over, then wipe Syria off the map.

8 posted on 08/31/2013 11:05:00 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: neverdem

An attack on Syria would be the action of the perfumed prince that is this kenyan.


9 posted on 08/31/2013 11:14:23 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: neverdem

It’s a DEMOCRAT going to War....big difference.


10 posted on 08/31/2013 11:24:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Logical me

Zactly!


11 posted on 08/31/2013 11:25:06 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem; volunbeer; Skepolitic; Vendome

Entanglements concerning the “red line” reveal a pervasive misunderstanding of war and diplomacy as irreconcilable alternatives. For this Administration military action would be a bewildering, tragic, accidental consequence of hideous attacks enabled by their failed diplomacy.

To manage this contentious environment, Obama brought his newly minted Nobel Peace Prize. He and the nominating committee considered Basher al-Assad received a crushing blow as Obama lead Western leaders in saying he must go to benefit the Syrian people. Clearly, al-Assad should have realized the brilliance of Western conflict resolution and entertained peaceful dialogue.

However, al-Assad shares the perception of Greg Lewis in American Thinker, who portrayed Obama as a beta male. The alpha male dog approaches directly, while the beta male displays acquiescent gestures signaling submission. Lewis saw submissiveness in bowing to King Abdullah, sending John Kerry to Syria, and in generally ridiculing the U.S. whenever Obama appeared on an international stage.

When al-Assad’s actions beleaguered the feebleness he trampled in rising to power, liberal statesmen became befuddled by the intricacies and chicaneries of this unorthodox diplomacy. Al-Assad saw this confusion and ongoing debates narrowing national interests. He then asked why abandon strategies proven against behaviors disregarded in my rise to dominion?

Effective diplomacy would have been methodical, overt/covert, multi-faceted, and predictably lethal. Talks, conferences and economic measures would have been war without bloodshed invigorated by intelligence, propaganda, and espionage. Military action could then exact grievous forfeitures from ruling elites through the planned consequences of inattention to international isolation and internal dissention.

Did We Elect a Beta Male As President?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html


12 posted on 08/31/2013 11:31:08 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: neverdem

The point of a Syrian intervention is to effect the same results we’ve seen in Egypt and Libya; we also saw the same non-intervention effect in Iran a couple of years ago.

Specifically, the goal - OBAMA’s GOAL - is to cause the installation of Muslim Brotherhood control into as many Muslim countries as possible. It’s no more complicated than that.

He, Obama, must intervene because Assad is kicking the Muslim Brotherhood’s rebel ass, and Obama cannot create his own world without it.


13 posted on 08/31/2013 11:34:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tennmountainman
3 ... Release the evidence to the public. Was this gas military grade or home cooked? Have the rebels stolen the gas and set it off accidentally or intentionally? Did Syria’s shelling accidentally set off stolen gas?

Amen.

How was the gas delivered? Some reports indicate it was by a ballistic missile. The U.S. has Patriot missile batteries (with radar) in Jordan (don't we have some in southern Turkey also?) and the Israelis have Iron Dome. Surely some of these assets would havd detected a missile launch if there was 1.

Just who were the civilian casualties in Damascus - neutral parties, allies of Assad, or allies of AQ and the MB?

14 posted on 08/31/2013 12:21:12 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
here are several sources that have identified the source of the chemical attack came from Saudi Prince Bandar
and "the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced
Remember, that's just one of many sources.


The Muslims are guilty of the chemical attack, not the Christians, and the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF knows it.
But the ARAB-KENYANand MUSLIM defiling the Oval Office doesn't care.
Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) just want to turn Syria into another Muslim Brotherhood run country, and kill Christians.
It's just that simple!

If you want to AIR STRIKE someone, strike the GUILTY ONES, Saudia Arabia, and Saudi Prince Bandar, along with ALL the Muslim Brotherhood.
And strike the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, while you're at it.
15 posted on 08/31/2013 12:27:15 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: MacNaughton

It is also possible that missile that was fired hit a home cooking operation
or hit a stash of stolen gas, which set it off. The point is we don’t know.


16 posted on 08/31/2013 12:27:38 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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