Posted on 08/29/2013 6:32:41 AM PDT by Lakeshark
Fine. Do it. Meanwhile, stay the hell off of Cruz’s back and the backs of us who support him to the hilt on FR!! Those of you who wish to form an anti-Cruz website somewhere else be my guest, but you’re not going to destroy his (and our) chances here!!
Where am I on his back? I think you misunderstand me completely. Not once have I EVER railed Cruz here or anywhere.
Well, there are plenty of hard cases here jumping all over us for supporting Cruz. I’m just giving plenty of advance notice that they may soon be looking for a new home. If Cruz decides to run and he’s the strongest conservative running, I’ll be supporting him 100%!! FR will become Cruz Country and anyone who doesn’t like it can bail out. I’m all for conservative patriots like Cruz and Palin. The weak-assed, boot-licking, open borders, homo pushing, big government-loving GOP statists can KMA!! ALL of them!!
And I am not one of them, nor will I be one of them. I am in TOTAL support of Cruz on everything I have seen from him so far, but this issue will come up and it’s out of our control.
I have not and WILL not slam him, trash him or anything else. I have not and will not get into a pissing match arguing that he ‘can’t’ or Won’t be president. Here or anywhere else. So far he looks like the best chance America has.
None of that will stop the dems and the GOP from using it against him Jim. And doing it when it matters most. That’s all I have said and all I intend to say.
Me too. But eventually I realized that we were kicking against the pricks. FWIW, even if BHO was born in Kenya, he would still be a NBC because his genetic father was obviously Frank Marshall Davis who was a Citizen.
I brought up a point that pro-life Birthers should consider. TED CRUZ WAS CONCEIVED ON AMERICAN SOIL!
Now to all you pro-life Anti-Cruz birthers out there, when does the Natural Born Citizenship attach?
Is it when life begins or at the time of birth? If there is some claim to Natural Law imputing citizenship, then it attaches at the moment of conception and the place of birth would be irrelevant. And if an American woman goes from Buffalo to Toronto to get an abortion, did she abort an American or a Canadian?
FWIW, that part of the Foreign Affairs manual was written long before Hillary Clinton. Its been the official position of the U.S. government for a long time.
And their position is that they don't have a position. Which leaves Ted Cruz eligible.
There is not a court in this country that would rule otherwise and IMPO the courts have no jurisdiction to make that ruling anyway. It is up to the States to qualify the candidates, the electors to choose a qualified candidate and the congress to certify the results. The SCOTUS has no authority to rule that Ted Cruz was not eligible to be president once he has been certified by congress. The certification acts as unrebuttable proof of eligibility.
IOW, no court can refuse to recognize that certification.
Please note the next section which seems to have been added only 10 days ago. Some FReepers have postulated that statutory citizenship at birth abroad is “naturalization”, making Cruz ineligible. This note seems to say that he is.
It is very suspicious that this was added so recently. I suspect that FAM writers are lurking here.
7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by Naturalization
(CT:CON-474; 08-19-2013)
Section 101(a)(23) INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(23)) provides that the term “naturalization” means “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.” Persons who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents who meet the applicable statutory transmission requirements are not considered citizens by naturalization.
I know you will! :)
One of the things I like most about you is your tendency to let things play out until it’s time to make a decision and then you don’t hesitate to make it. At first, I didn’t understand why you tolerated certain conflicts on FR. Then I figured out that you were weighing the facts in evidence before making a judgment.
Of course the hypocritical democrats and GOP-e RINO cowards are going to go after Cruz on this issue. Just like they’re going to go after him on his every conservative stance.
But no thank you. The dems and the GOP-e RINOs are not going to have a partner against conservative patriot Cruz on FR!! Even if we’re standing alone!! But we won’t be. The grassroots tea party (or most of it) will be right there with us.
Thanks....very rational and slight disagreement....which I always welcome!
There is only ONE flaw in P Marlowes argument...which is.... I DIDNT THINK OF IT FIRST DAMMIT!!! /s
Now, folks, this is what you call game, set, match.....
Good points. I will consider them.
Feel free to steal it for any of your columns. Nobody knows who I am and I am not claiming any copyright for anything I post here.
Well, the NSA knows who I am, but other than that....?
And you're calling ME nuts? GGA. And this insanity:
I brought up a point that pro-life Birthers should consider. TED CRUZ WAS CONCEIVED ON AMERICAN SOIL!
You are stark raving barking mad.
He wasn’t aware that he had Canadian citizenship. So I’m not sure if he is totally aware of his situation. However, I agree that if he thought he were ineligible, he would do the honorable thing. He’s a good man. I voted for him in the primary and in the run-off and donated money to his campaign. I support him 100%.
Semantics aside, Barack Obama has subjectively changed the importance of and the impact of the US rule of law. If it is true that Cruz is "hispanic" through his heritage, then anyone who questions his eligibility is a racist
...or, doesn't that work for conservatives?
placemark
(I’ll try FR and see if the whole threads post yet)
placemark
Well, the place of birth is not irrelevant, but ...
Did you know that the Foreign Affairs Manual does consider conception as relevant to a claim of jus sanguinis citizenship? Yes, indeed. For example, when there is a surrogate mother who gives birth, the FAM instructs that the claimant must prove who provided the egg and the sperm! Such a child is also considered born out of wedlock.
What I think and believe is relevant to me and perhaps to others who have commented. To you what I think and believe is not relevant and so be it; neither you or I make up the universe.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.