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1 posted on 08/28/2013 8:45:24 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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on account of the whole being-shot-to-death-by-Burr thing.

For the record, I approve of politicians doing this to each other.

/johnny

2 posted on 08/28/2013 8:47:19 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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Sure . . . Article II, section 1, clause 4 doesn’t exist in the Constitution.


3 posted on 08/28/2013 8:47:48 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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The Framers' concern was that a future President my owe his allegiance to either the King of Britain (George III) or the King Of France (Louis XVI).

I'm pretty sure that if Ted Cruz were ever elected President then he would not become a puppet of the Canadian government.

This whole debate is stupid, because the original intent was to ensure loyalty to America and not a foreign sovereign.

5 posted on 08/28/2013 8:49:19 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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Perhaps not, but this issue to getting so watered down that soon a guy born in Mexico to Mexican Parents are going to be able to be President. We are on a slippery slope that won't stop. I guarantee it. Obama started it, Cruz is continuing it and soon a Mexican will be claiming that the Constitution says “America” it might mean “North America”. You think I am kidding.....get a conservative or liberal Mexican who speaks well and says the necessary key words in their first senate term and people will be salivating over it.
6 posted on 08/28/2013 8:49:41 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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Is this author serious? He sounds like an idiot. The “citizen...at the time of the adoption” clause was because it was impossible to find natural-born citizens of a country which didn’t yet exist.


7 posted on 08/28/2013 8:50:10 AM PDT by dinodino
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yes, they did care


8 posted on 08/28/2013 8:50:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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“I don’t think that the Framers were even thinking about potential presidents born to American parents abroad Their concern was naturalized citizens, and it was a lot more immediate and urgent.”

STOP RIGHT HERE! This idiot “THINKS” he knows what the framers intended, and then goes on to prove that he doesn’t.

No need to read further.


9 posted on 08/28/2013 8:51:02 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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The "natural born" citizen clause in particular appeals to the mythological imagination.

Ahhh! Another freshing dose of distilled stupidity from the Atlantic!

I have a hunch that site and Salon are where people go after they can't even make it on television.

11 posted on 08/28/2013 8:55:15 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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Many people are convinced that the "purpose" of the Clause was to bar Alexander Hamilton

Ah yes, the "many people" opening often used by liberals to introduce their personal cockeyed opinions.

12 posted on 08/28/2013 8:55:39 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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Yes, the founders were concerned with DUAL and DIVIDED loyalties.

They want the President to be DEVOTED to the United States and NOT to any other country.

I think that was the SPIRIT of their concern.

Having said that, let’s get real...

Being born a natural-born citizen does not guarantee that you will love America when you grow up ( See for instance, The American Taliban, John Walker Lindh ).

Being born a foreigner on the other hand does tell us where a person’s heart will lie when he becomes a naturalized American. I know of several foreign born soldiers who have fought bravely for this country.


13 posted on 08/28/2013 8:55:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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14 posted on 08/28/2013 8:57:32 AM PDT by GraceG
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The Founders wouldn't care where Cruz was born unless he ran for president.
On this they were specific in writing in the Constitution.
See what happens when a president is elected who can't reveal his birth credentials?
Brilliant indeed were the Founders.
16 posted on 08/28/2013 8:59:14 AM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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Ted Cruz seems to be a good guy, but he has zero qualifications to be President.

And as for “natural born,” it’s hardly surprising that the Communist Atlantic wants to twist things.

Cruz is doing a good job right where he is, so far. Let’s encourage him to keep on doing it. We don’t gain anything by bending the Constitution just because the Democrats do it. First you bend it a little, then a little more, then you throw it in the garbage. That’s what the Atlantic wants us to do, for obvious reasons.


19 posted on 08/28/2013 9:03:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Obviously, Ted Cruz is *not* a “natural born citizen” of the United States.


21 posted on 08/28/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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Since the original draft allowed naturalized citizens to become President, and since the change was adopted without debate, it is hard to know exactly what the Founders were thinking. I suspect the truth is they were tired and were not particularly concerned, so they didn’t mind adopting a fairly well-known legal phrase that would prevent naturalized citizens (except for the Grandfather clause) from becoming President.

There wasn’t a loyalty clause in the Constitution. The People were supposed to ensure the person elected was a loyal US citizen - something voters don’t seem to care about any more, since no sane person would have suggested Obama thought well of the USA in 2008...


27 posted on 08/28/2013 9:07:40 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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No but they would have asked to see a real birth certificate


28 posted on 08/28/2013 9:07:42 AM PDT by bigbob
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The endless parsing of the Framers' unspoken thoughts on this subject -- as on so many others -- does our politics a disservice. There's no coded message in the "natural born citizen" clause.

Spoken like a Leftist-Theorist. Understanding the intent of the text of law is an essential task in upholding and enforcing that law. What people like this author want is to just go along with the author's interpretation of what and why the "natural born citizen" requirement is in the Constitution. But we're not to be ruled by the ever-changing whims of the Left (or Right for that matter). Original intent and understanding of the text is a basic and very important judicial step in correctly construing an ambiguous clause in the Constitution. It doesn't guarantee perfection but it does support the rule of law - a much happier state of society than the rule of man and his ever-changing whims in which we find ourselves today.

31 posted on 08/28/2013 9:09:42 AM PDT by PapaNew
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Yes. They would indeed have cared, otherwise they would not have taken the time to include specific clauses regarding eligibility.


32 posted on 08/28/2013 9:12:25 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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Nearly every single person posting comments to this article is a liberal, so that says something about who actually reads The Atlantic. It’s trash.


33 posted on 08/28/2013 9:13:38 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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Welcome to FR.

No. Because if Ted Cruz was alive, and in the country back then, he would have been a British subject like Pres. Washington.

Ok, disregard this post...

5.56mm

39 posted on 08/28/2013 9:28:49 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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