[Windflier]

The hardcore birthers are idiots because they use the same convoluted and long-winded crap to try to make their point, instead of looking at the Constitution and the laws.

Johnny, I've looked at the Constitution and the laws, as well as most of the Framers' writings on this matter, and I believe they intended for that office to be restricted to people whose loyalty to America was ensured by their ties to the blood and the land of this country.

I know that other decent Americans see it otherwise, but I don't call them idiots for seeing it that way. I just think they're willing to accept a lower standard for that office than I am.

[Hugh the Scot]

I don’t believe he’s eligible, not because of some esoteric arguement rooted in common law, but because the courts have not given a definative answer on this issue. IOW, it’s not settled law.

It is very likely to become settled law only after HRH Clinton sues to have the election results overturned.

I don’t trust the courts to decide anything in favor of the American people, and I see no reason why we would intentionally expose ourselves to that risk. Cruz is not the only patriot available.

This is not an arguement for “birtherism”, it’s a prediction.

[Hugh the Scot]

I don’t believe he’s eligible, not because of some esoteric arguement rooted in common law, but because the courts have not given a definative answer on this issue. IOW, it’s not settled law.

It is very likely to become settled law only after HRH Clinton sues to have the election results overturned.

I don’t trust the courts to decide anything in favor of the American people, and I see no reason why we would intentionally expose ourselves to that risk. Cruz is not the only patriot available.

This is not an arguement for “birtherism”, it’s a prediction.

[JRandomFreeper]

The idiots are the ones that write page-long rambling references to quotes that aren't law, and that is most of their posting on the forum. One trick ponies. Longwinded one trick ponies.

/johnny

[New Jersey Realist]

Johnny, I've looked at the Constitution and the laws, as well as most of the Framers' writings on this matter

Then you undoubtedly came across this gem spoken by Mr. Madison but chose to ignore it: "It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States;"

This was spoken by James Madison on 22 May 1789. Source here: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_2s6.html