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"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan

 

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1 posted on 08/26/2013 1:51:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
Yes, but is he the best Canadian for the job? Why not Putin? He's got more experience running a super power.

Cruz is being test run, the same as Rubio was being tested for a run, to give obama and those who put obama into place cover and to further redefine our definitions per the constitution, such as citizenship (amnesty and obama cover) and with marriage.

I doubt any care about the Constitution now beyond redefining it and using it to get what they want.

So, what's the point. Just run someone the faithful can listen to, vote for and contribute to. The Constitution is dead. The United States is also dead. We're just waiting for the right crisis that can't go to waste to reveal what we've become.

A kinder, gentler oligarchy or whatever you call what we have now is as close as we're going to get to the Constitution, short of revolution or Levin's amendment idea.

159 posted on 08/26/2013 6:00:40 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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If Cruz runs for President, I'm doing everything I can to help him get elected POTUS.

That means donating money to his campaign and volunteering to work on his campaign.

Unless some else comes on the scene, Cruz is our last, best hope of saving this country.

I hate to write that because I hate cult of personalities that spring up over political figures. See Obama as example of a cult of personality that went bad. But I don't see other way out of the country's current mess.

199 posted on 08/26/2013 7:17:08 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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The Constitutional Requirements:

Office Citizenship Age Residency (or years citizen)
Commander in Chief natural born Citizen 35 14 years resident
Senator Citizen 30 9 years a Citizen
Represantative Citizen 25 7 years a Citizen

Sen. Ted Cruz - A native of Canada.

Born in a foreign country. [1]

Born with foreign citizenship. [2]

Born owing allegiance to that foreign country. [3][4]

Born a U.S. citizen due exclusively to his mother meeting the specific requirements in the congressional law in existence at the time of his birth. [5]

Foreign born Sen. Ted Cruz is a U.S. "citizen" by congressional statute.
Congress does not have the Constitutional authority to make laws determining who may be a "natural born Citizen."

Instead of seeking the office, Sen. Ted Cruz may be trying to force the issue into the "national" debate.

218 posted on 08/26/2013 10:50:32 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Any Canadian citizen with a Canadian BC is fine by me.

I’m getting a Canadian Maple leaf for the front of my house.
After we elected a communist from Indonesia, I took the stars and stripes down. A Canadian is looking pretty damn good and I want to fly a flag again.

Go Maple Leafs!!!


248 posted on 08/27/2013 4:43:56 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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Just watched his interview with Candy Crowley. If looks could kill — !

And while he’s about the best we’ve got, he’s still yielding a lot of ground. Does pandering come naturally to every politician? She asks about the poor people, what do they do to afford health care, and he recites the tired old “vulnerable people” list: Hispanics, African Americans, single moms...”I don’t think that’s fair, I don’t think that’s right!”

Well, I don’t think that’s effective.

He’s not making a good case for terminating obamacare, and he’s implying the Republicans have a better plan.

I’d rather hear him say the GOP has no plan, and should have no plan, and here’s WHY!


252 posted on 08/27/2013 6:03:01 AM PDT by HomeAtLast (Remaining in the Republican Party is political necrophilia.)
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To: SoConPubbie; LucyT; Fred Nerks; null and void; Brown Deer
That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. Q.E.D.

OK so let's just kind of try to flesh this out a little.

On what date was Eleanor born in Delaware? So we can figure out on what date she was 14; so we can figure out whether or not she meets the five years after 14 requirement.

And where did Eleanor live before she was 14? So we can figure out if she also meets the ten year rule.

And where did she live between the date of her 14th birthday and the date of her 19th birthday? So we see how she meets the five year rule also.

We will know from her birth date whether or not she was 19 when Ted was born--my memory is that the answer to that question is affirmative but I am not sure.

And on what date was the five years after 14 effective--for children born after what date? In the footnotes to the Enrolled Bill, not in US Code Annotated unless you have an edition which includes the footnotes.

And on what date was the five years after 14 provision replaced (which it was)--again for children born after what date? And what was the replacement provision in effect in 1970 if the effective date in 70 was prior to Cruz birth?

I tend to doubt your analysis is one which is likely to be adopted by the Supreme Court. Under existing conditions, it is likely that the Court would rule Natural Born means born within the geographical confines of the several states as constituted on the date of birth.

Further, everyone should also understand that the Constitutional Bar is generally of the consensus view that the citizenship statute you cite is probably unconstitutional for the reason that the child of a father born under the same circumstances would not be a citizen.

Conceivably that issue could be resolved by retroactive amendment of the citizenship statute to make US Citizen father children citizen's at birth as if they had been born to Citizen mother's. Making conclusive proof by DNA of the father would seem to meet the usual objection to such an amendment. Drawback to such an amendment would be that it would make the present occupant of the White House a citizen at birth also since his father was a multi generational US Citizen.

Understanding the actual situation in connection with Cruz birth citizenship however is important because it might offer a road map for modification of the Constitution that might have some general appeal.

258 posted on 08/27/2013 8:05:44 AM PDT by David
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Not according to Robert Natelson, author of “The Original Constitution”

I don’t agree totally with his conclusions, because he does, a number of times, stress the Founders reliance on Vattel.

But according to him there is no doubt that what the Founders meant was a derivation of the British flavor... a “natural born citizen” was one who EITHER:
Was born on the land (Cruz wasn’t) or
Had a FATHER who was a citizen. (Cruz didn’t).

In addition, Cruz has (or had) dual citizenship. Conflicting allegiances. That’s a big problem.

This has zero to do with whether someone likes Cruz or agrees with what he says. We can’t elect someone ineligible just because we like what they say, that’s a tactic from the other side, where the outcome is more important than the means.


268 posted on 08/27/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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If Ted Cruz runs, he has my vote.


278 posted on 08/27/2013 11:57:30 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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