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To: WhiskeyX
the mother is the chattel or property of a husband, who is her master and guardian.

I understand you have an argument, everyone does.

So, in 2016, you're going to argue that the voters and their electors should deem Ted Cruz to be not a "natural born citizen" and thus ineligible to be president because his American mother was the chattel property of his father, a Cuban. Well, good luck with that one. Anyone who has ever seen a rerun of I Love Lucy is going to find that argument to be humorous, but incorrect.

And, what will be your pitch to Jewish voters?

I'm not saying you shouldn't come up with whatever precise NBC definition you wish to assist you in voting, but the rest of us are equally entitled to do the same. Expect at least some small variations in opinions. ;-)

37 posted on 08/25/2013 10:04:18 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

Don’t be ridiculous. I was only explaining the origins and usages of the legal concepts. The United States emancipated women and later granted women theright to retain their U.S. citizenship in the event they married a foreign husband. Formerly, a U.S. woman’s marriage to a foreign husband resulted in her automatic expatriation as a U.S. citizen. Even after the statutory law was changed to stop such expatriations upon marriage, U.S. law continued to follow international agreements in which the father’s citizenship was the principal determinant of a child’s citizenship, absent various specified exceptions to the general rule. We saw this in the case of barack hussein obama and his mother Stanley Ann Dunham. In accordance with international laws on the subject, the U.S. law looked upon this 18 year old mother as a child bride of a foreign husband. Since the wife was still considered to be a minor under international law and the immigration and naturalization laws of the United States, she was not emancipated. Her adult guardian was changed from her father to her foreign husband. Consequently, her lack of emancipation and adult status resulted in her being unable to convey her U.S. citizenship to her child. By default, the child’s citizenship became that of the father for purposes of jus sanguinis inheritance of citizenship. However, since the United States uses a combination of jus sanguinis and jus soli, the child could acquire U.S. citizenship if and when the child was born in the jurisdiction of the United States. If the child was born outside the jurisdiction of the United States, the child could not acquire U.S. citizenship by means of jus sanguinis or jus soli. Instead, barack Hussein Obama would have been bor a British citizen, Canadian citizen, or a citizen of whatever other jurisdiction in which the birth took place.

In each case, however, it took a manmade law and not the natural circumstance of the birth to determine which sovereign to whom the child owed a duty of obediance. A natural born citizen by definition can owe the duty of obediance to only one sovereign a the time and palce of birth. A natural born citizen requires and cannot have a manmade statutory law determine the soveriegn to who the child owes obediance at birth.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 10:23:05 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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