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To: Tau Food

Don’t be ridiculous. I was only explaining the origins and usages of the legal concepts. The United States emancipated women and later granted women theright to retain their U.S. citizenship in the event they married a foreign husband. Formerly, a U.S. woman’s marriage to a foreign husband resulted in her automatic expatriation as a U.S. citizen. Even after the statutory law was changed to stop such expatriations upon marriage, U.S. law continued to follow international agreements in which the father’s citizenship was the principal determinant of a child’s citizenship, absent various specified exceptions to the general rule. We saw this in the case of barack hussein obama and his mother Stanley Ann Dunham. In accordance with international laws on the subject, the U.S. law looked upon this 18 year old mother as a child bride of a foreign husband. Since the wife was still considered to be a minor under international law and the immigration and naturalization laws of the United States, she was not emancipated. Her adult guardian was changed from her father to her foreign husband. Consequently, her lack of emancipation and adult status resulted in her being unable to convey her U.S. citizenship to her child. By default, the child’s citizenship became that of the father for purposes of jus sanguinis inheritance of citizenship. However, since the United States uses a combination of jus sanguinis and jus soli, the child could acquire U.S. citizenship if and when the child was born in the jurisdiction of the United States. If the child was born outside the jurisdiction of the United States, the child could not acquire U.S. citizenship by means of jus sanguinis or jus soli. Instead, barack Hussein Obama would have been bor a British citizen, Canadian citizen, or a citizen of whatever other jurisdiction in which the birth took place.

In each case, however, it took a manmade law and not the natural circumstance of the birth to determine which sovereign to whom the child owed a duty of obediance. A natural born citizen by definition can owe the duty of obediance to only one sovereign a the time and palce of birth. A natural born citizen requires and cannot have a manmade statutory law determine the soveriegn to who the child owes obediance at birth.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 10:23:05 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
I do understand your argument. There is an argument that can be made for any of the precise definitions you see.

But, read what you've written. Do you really think that any significant number of voters or their electors (the people who, under our Constitution, choose our presidents) are going to feel compelled by that argument to exclude from their consideration a candidate like Ted Cruz who is a citizen by birth, who has spent his life in America, who was educated in America and whose national loyalties clearly belong to the United States?

Quite frankly, I don't think the vast majority of ordinary voters who lived during our country's founding would have any idea what you're talking about. "Citizen at birth" is a much more natural construction of the term natural born citizen.

But, if you want to limit your choices in selecting a president, you are free to do so. Your vote is your vote just like my vote is my vote. ;-)

41 posted on 08/25/2013 10:41:27 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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