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The truth Johnny Depp wants to hide about the real-life Tontos .....
The Daily Mail Online ^ | August 18, 2013 | JONATHAN FOREMAN

Posted on 08/18/2013 4:48:36 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

The 16-year-old girl’s once-beautiful face was grotesque. She had been disfigured beyond all recognition in the 18 months she had been held captive by the Comanche Indians.

Now, she was being offered back to the Texan authorities by Indian chiefs as part of a peace negotiation.

To gasps of horror from the watching crowds, the Indians presented her at the Council House in the ranching town of San Antonio in 1840, the year Queen Victoria married Prince Albert.

‘Her head, arms and face were full of bruises and sores,’ wrote one witness, Mary Maverick. ‘And her nose was actually burnt off to the bone. Both nostrils were wide open and denuded of flesh.’

Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured — the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche squaws had tortured her with fire. It wasn’t just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns.

When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians’ camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.

It was a decision that prompted one of the most brutal slaughters in the history of the Wild West — and showed just how bloodthirsty the Comanche could be in revenge....

S C Gwynne, author of Empire Of The Summer Moon about the rise and fall of the Comanche, says simply: ‘No tribe in the history of the Spanish, French, Mexican, Texan, and American occupations of this land had ever caused so much havoc and death. None was even a close second.’.....

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: comanche; commanche; johnnydepp; loneranger; tonto
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To: Uncle Chip

No cable TV back then so torturing captives (white or Indian) was high entertainment for the most savage tribes. The Indian women would participate too. So fun stuff as carefully slitting a captives belly and carefully pulling out some of the intestines. The captive does not die quickly from this. Then cutting up part of his intestines before his eyes, roasting and chowing down on them right in front of him. All in good fun. Indian style fun.


21 posted on 08/18/2013 5:33:29 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

the moderate indians should speak out against these radical indians


22 posted on 08/18/2013 5:34:24 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: rabidralph
This reminds me of that Tommy Lee Jones/Cate Blanchett movie The Missing. In this case the girls were being kidnapped and being sold into slavery. Great movie, BTW

Yes, it's a great movie. I've seen it several times. Very underrated.

23 posted on 08/18/2013 5:34:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Uncle Chip

For cryin’ out loud. It was a movie about the Lone Ranger and Tonto. Not a political statement, imho. I heard it wasn’t even a good movie.

At the risk of being hammered...the article references a very different time in history. Everything was violent. Do I think torture was a good thing? Absolutely not. But the Indians fought amongst themselves for territorial rights in the same manner. Why would they not fight against what I’m sure they regarded as invaders taking their land.

The article references the Parkers. There is a good fictional book about Cynthia Parker’s captivity. Ride The Wind. One of my favorites.


24 posted on 08/18/2013 5:39:39 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Total BS from your lib friend. Plus Indian tribes did not go to war that often against each other over hunting grounds. More often it was for successful braves to accumulate more honor-prestige. For young braves to make their bones. For braves to capture other tribes women and turn them onto baby factories and sex playmates.

One aspect of prevailing over other tribes was to have greater numbers. So capturing women and having them produce children for your clan and tribe is a good strategy


25 posted on 08/18/2013 5:41:18 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Methinks your preacher friend was misinterpreting the Plains Indians practice of counting coup.
26 posted on 08/18/2013 5:42:19 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: dennisw

Didn’t the practice of “drawing” originate in England?


27 posted on 08/18/2013 5:43:42 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It was a good movie. The book was good as well.


28 posted on 08/18/2013 5:45:27 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie

“But the Indians fought amongst themselves for territorial rights in the same manner.”

Not as often as you would think. This continent was thinly populated with not much pressure on resources such as hunting grounds. Tribes went to war for the sake of going to war. Warriors-braves wanted war so they could return home successfully with more prestige within the tribal hierarchy and return with captured females


29 posted on 08/18/2013 5:45:36 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: NFHale
The left has been very effective at making white people hate their own culture, heritage, and country. We’ve been painted as the root of EVERY ONE else’s problems. Don’t buy it.

Plenty of white conservative and Christians are buying it. They buy it every day their children attend institutional schooling.

Remember! Nearly every teacher in this nation ( private and government) from pre-K through graduate school were trained by godless Marxists in Marxist run colleges and universities.

30 posted on 08/18/2013 5:47:13 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: berdie

From the article, the movie changed him to Comanche, and made it political and racial.

“”‘All the men were killed, and any men who were captured alive were tortured; the captive women were gang raped. Babies were invariably killed.’
Not that you would know this from the new Lone Ranger movie, starring Johnny Depp as the Indian Tonto.
For reasons best know to themselves, the film-makers have changed Tonto’s tribe to Comanche — in the original TV version, he was a member of the comparatively peace-loving Potowatomi tribe.
And yet he and his fellow native Americans are presented in the film as saintly victims of a Old West where it is the white settlers — the men who built America — who represent nothing but exploitation, brutality, environmental destruction and genocide.””


31 posted on 08/18/2013 5:47:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is radical social leftism, not economics)
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To: berdie

This is your lame way of saying Europeans were as savage as the American Indians? Have you read about the scale of Aztec human sacrifice to their sun god. The conquistadors rightfully decimated that band of devils and when they did the Aztec’s neighboring tribes rejoiced. In fact they helped the conquistadors win


32 posted on 08/18/2013 5:50:12 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://archive.org/details/indianbattleswit00whituoft


33 posted on 08/18/2013 5:57:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://archive.org/details/redeemedcaptive01willgoog


34 posted on 08/18/2013 5:57:48 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Uncle Chip

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1042&context=etas


35 posted on 08/18/2013 5:58:49 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yes, very underrated.


36 posted on 08/18/2013 5:59:05 PM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: ansel12

The point I was trying to make is this. I watched the Lone Ranger as a kid. Until I read this article, I had no idea what tribe the original Tonto was from.

This is much ado about nothing.

The movie probably flopped because most young people don’t even know there was a tv series about the lone Ranger.


37 posted on 08/18/2013 5:59:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: dennisw

Just today I was trying to remember if it was the Aztecs or the Mayas that did the heart eating/human sacrifice thing, that the conquistadors saw and then vowed to stop.

I’m pretty bad with remembering the difference between Aztecs and Mayas.


38 posted on 08/18/2013 6:01:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: dennisw

Strange thing..I don’t find that pointing out the barbarism in the past, by any culture, as lame.

And yes..the Europeans of the past have been just as brutal.

It’s getting so hard to post, I think I may give up for the evening. ;(


39 posted on 08/18/2013 6:05:01 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Uncle Chip

http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/2011/04/fate-worse-than-death.html


40 posted on 08/18/2013 6:07:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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