Posted on 08/14/2013 7:02:28 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Robert Griffin III thinks the time is now for gay players to come out.
The Redskins star quarterback told GQ magazine that he feels the "window is now" for gay players.
"I think there are [gay players] right now, and if they're looking for a window to just come out, I mean, now is the window," said Griffin, who is recovering from offseason knee surgery. "My view on it is, yes, I am a Christian, but to each his own. You do what you want to do. If some Christians want to look at being gay as a sin, then thinking about other women, committing adultery—or any of those other sins that are in the Bible—those are sins, too. And God looks at all of us the same way."
(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...
The Church never can and never will give satisfaction—and the homosexualist knows it, for he knows the words against him are ineradicable—to the declared and impenitent homosexual, the person who, through an act of the vermiculate will, has identified his person with a sin, whether he demands acceptance of his sin through "love," or vindication through identification of his perceived enemies as bigots. Whether he presents himself as an object of love or indignation, what he demands in either case is acceptance not of the person, but of the sin-bound and sin-defined person. He demands the declaration of spiritual authority that there is nothing objectively disordered about this binding of man to sin, and assurance that this monstrous amalgam can indeed enter the kingdom of heaven. This can never happen among Christians until they abandon Christianity, which is at war with every sin, and whose indelible constitution places all perversions of the perfect man at the muzzle of its canons.
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I did not ignore his condemnation of other sin in my first post - I DIRECTLY addressed it:
“He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.”
YOU chose to ignore what I posted in order to falsely accuse me.
Your petty mote/”stick” accusation is groundless. There is nothing in what I said that excuses or ignores my own faults - and I am not asking anyone, not even myself, to accept sin in my life.
Agreed. RG3 actually implied it is a sin by lumping it in with “hetero” types of sin. I don’t know why so many people here are in a lather about this. Do they look to football players for theology? Griffin was asked about the subject in the context of football, having gay teammates, etc. He basically answered it honestly from his standpoint. Who cares? I just hope my Cowboys give him a couple of beatdowns this year. Nothing personal of course...
Christianity itself as practiced in the Western world has lost the gospel moxie needed to lead such sinners back to the Lord.
I will go out on a limb that may attract a lot of rotten eggs and tomatoes. This stuff isn’t the “unforgivable sin.” That sin is to refuse the gospel forever. However sexual sins are very corrupting because they are entangled in a spiritual capacity of humans. A Christian being saved could have a temporary sojourn in such sins. HOWEVER by definition it will not last forever; it can’t inherit the kingdom of heaven. It has to give. It is forgivable. It is never, ever excusable (and no other sin is excusable either).
The answer is not rocket science. Hey guys, buggery is mean and sex outside marriage is gross, call it off, be friends if you want, but keep those bodies in sanctification and honor. Do what is an acceptable sacrifice to God, and if you find yourself falling then stop and take the situation to the Lord for help, which you will always get if you do and don’t wallow there in shame (the forgiveness is instant), and you will grow. And don’t be afraid of male fellowship as such because when clean it is very powerful in the power of God the Father. But it needs gospel moxie behind it. It needs the power that causes Satan to flee as the light of God comes spiritually.
My advice--get out of my face--get out of my space--shut up and be reticent for a change.
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He’s not really off on his statement. All the things he mentioned are sins, and are all practiced by various people.
He publicly opposes gay marriage. But being gay does not preclude you from getting a job in our country, and people should be able to admit what they are. (I’d prefer they all keep it to themselves).
We all probably know gay people, and most of us probably work with gay people. We probably also know, and maybe work with, or are friends with, people who are living together without being married, or having sex outside of marriage, or have committed adultery, or been divorced, or stole things, or committed any number of other sins.
We are all sinners, and I don’t look to isolate myself from sinners. I condemn sin. I “love the sinner”.
Well, people are sinners unless and until saved and gone to heaven. I think we don’t need people to say certain sins get the honor of being a badge they wear, though. How would it look to talk about “thieving players”? Lets get some sense here. If someone says to you “I’m ‘gay’” I think your answer should be “I do not look upon you as ‘gay.’ I look upon you as a human being, as Joe [or Mary or whoever]. I will proceed on this basis.”
Kind of like "single mother"
Well, the sin is over at that point. But if she intends to keep on getting pregnant and having either more kids or more abortions as a single that would be another ball game.
At least the “straight” players will know who not to shower with.
Maybe he just wants to know who to avoid so they don’t get any of their blood on him.
This is the issue. But that is a religious one, not a work-related one. We don’t generally fire people because they are sleeping with their girlfriends. Heck, we didn’t fire the President for sleeping with an intern.
And I haven’t seen people looking to inflict punishment in this world for all the people taking the Lord’s name in vain, even though that is one of the 10 commandments.
We are all sinners. There are Christians who are sadly living in a state of perpetual sin, sometimes willfully, sometimes unwittingly, but they need repentance and forgiveness at least to repair their relationship with God.
I am a heterosexual. If I wasn’t married, I would still be a heterosexual, but I would not be having sex. Is it possible that a person could feel they were a homosexual, but not be committing the sin of gay sex acts? I am agnostic on whether merely BEING “homosexual” is a sin, as opposed to acting out on those feelings.
I don’t have any delusion though that most people who would announce they were “gay” would also be having gay sex.
Then you have the issue of gays who get married, and who are members of supposedly Christian churches where being gay is not considered a sin. I believe it is a sin, but won’t those people be surprised, given that their actual religious teaching from those who are tasked with bringing them to the light is telling them that they have fulfilled the requirements of God, only to find out I believe that they have lived in continual sin?
Frankly, I believe RG3 had to do this, because he’s a young guy who, by professing his personal religious belief, and his opposition to gay marriage, he has become an embattled target. He’s looking to make his life easier, and sure fault him for it if you like, but it makes sense to me. He’s expressing an opinion that, in this world, gay people exist, and are largely accepted, and in many cases are protected in their employment, and some football players certainly identify as gay, and now is certainly a good time for such people to identify themselves if that is what they wanted to do.
I’d have a different message, but it would not be helpful. Now is a good time for Gay people to identify themselves to their pastors, so they can get counseling on how to repent and with God’s help live a righteous life. Of course, when people are being discriminated against simply because they STOPPED BEING GAY, that is a hard message to tell people.
Imagine that. If I were gay, and got counseling against the power of the state and the counseling community (which denies such counseling should even exist), and was able to cure or control my attraction, and lead a normal life, I will face discrimination by government entities and private organizations, and no law will protect me from that discrimination.
Hey, also “loving the sinner” means you DO dare to press the gospel to the person, a gospel which is the gospel of YES (Yes you can be a clean, sanctified, forever forgiven person who lives up to everything God wanted for the creation, and while fighting the devil towards that goal will need effort and probably much trial and error, you do not need to earn any of your forgiveness ever) rather than the gospel of NO (ahh, look at Leviticus and wallow in your guilt and shame).
Too much modern Christianity is laden with Churchianity. It leans a lot on pride as a crutch, quite frankly. And it can impart the unfortunate connotation that a saved life is a bland vanilla thing, like a lot of Christian music and church services. NO... a saved life has every bit of power God put in the creation, but it is a channeled power. It is MORE than natural. It’s supernatural. One could even call it a sort of “good magic” (”God’s spell”). It does NOT smell of the old ladies in the church or of the furniture polish on the pews. It is a whole ‘nother world.
Yes, I won’t quibble a lot about words which can be used colloquially to mean different things.
A “gay Christian” (actually a Christian who has lapsed into homosexual behavior) SHOULD ideally be able to get pastoral help that contains copious, strong amounts of the gospel of YES. Not “YES keep on doing that” but “YES let’s get your faculties which you had been offering to demons under Christ’s lordship and do NOT put a limit on what Christ can do once the battle is over.”
Clarification on “good magic” — of course I mean God is the honoree here. “Magic” honors the devil, although the devil also furnishes the illusion that it’s all about you and your techniques and not about the devil at all. Remember the sin in Eden about “being as gods”? That self-possession is the illusion that goes along with it. The devil lurks low, usually, when he’s your partner. God is not shy to take a high profile.
Don’t tell anyone, but I once hired a gay person because she was the best person qualified for the job. She was one of the best employees who ever worked for me. She was also a conservative who did not support gay marriage. She got in a big argument about it with a fellow worker who was a liberal. Talk about watching worlds collide, that poor liberal got beat to death with her own bigotry stick.
As I said earlier, I do not support in any way the gay political/social agenda. I do not support them in their sin (anymore than I support anyone who in sinning). I do not believe they should be treated any differently than anyone else. I don’t think it helps my cause to demean them and call them names. I hope for them the same I hope for anyone including myself. That they would repent of their sins and accept Christ as their Savior and let Him transform their lives day by day.
I’m wondering if she even was ‘gay’ at all! She might have just had a close friend who lived with her in kind of a female equivalent of a David and Jonathan relationship, no actual sexual shenanigans or minimal, but their friends insisted on calling it ‘gay’ and she acceded.
But do gay referees penalize players for “backfield in motion” or having too many men on the field?
a football player will NEVER be a role model. If your children (or others) have a professional athlete as a role model then something is way off track in their life.
He is not my pastor. I do not take theological direction from him. He is a human with an opinion. Doesn’t make hime right. Also doesn’t require me to make a big noise about nonsense that is of no value.
As to your last comment BWAHAHAHAHAHHA not even close
partially quoting someone and then adding your spin to it is intellectually dishonest. At least deal with the direct quotation in its entirety.
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