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Posted on 08/13/2013 11:02:31 PM PDT by Olog-hai
It’s certainly not ridiculous to question the efficacy f laws passed in haste. It’s generally a good idea to review the success of efforts rather than just double down for more of the same. We got to a police state one step at a time and never seriously questioned what we were doing; the few people who did were derided as dopers and druggies.
Personally, if heroin were legal, I wouldn’t try it. I was recently injured in a car accident, treated in a hospital and discharged with a prescription for Vicodin. I still have all but two of them. I think most people are immune to the attraction of drugs. Because a relative few abuse drugs, we have surrendered our sovereign freedom to the government.
It is a sad and almost comic end to the freedom experiment our Founders began for us to surrender our freedom due to the poor character of those who never valued their freedom. The War on Drugs is not about drugs, its about power. We lost and the government won.
I live in a safe war zone...Israel!
Didn’t say it wasn’t friend. My point is the war on drugs is the reason for the militarization of the ‘’fuzz’. Cops had to play catch up to the crooks as far as the weapons were concerned. Most cops will tell you they’re always playing ‘’catch up’’ with the bad guys. And as I said the War on Drugs is the problem here. No other kind of crime brings the law enforcement community in contact with the minority community then drug crime. Course as I see it, it’s all part of the plan. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m on my way to a job interview. We can pick this up later if you like.
That's a plus for you.
I've tried to warn about the dangers of the police state and the war on drugs and got slandered by conservatives
If you were asked to, could you post an example of yourself being slandered by a conservative?
Cordially,
No argument here on that. The drug war is the longest running war this nation has fought and there is no end in sight. Too much money and too much power at stake. And power is the most addicting thing there is.
Martin Milner and Kent McCord were so nice in Adam-12.
“Which conservatives would those be? The more I read about who instituted the war on drugs, the more liberals’ names I see listed.”
The tryants on boths sides did their part.
Nice to converse with you.
It is clear that you are obsessed with creating that myth, that is why you keep forcing yourself to ignore the 15 or 20 years of history before your 1980s.
Why you keep pretending that the creation of “Special Weapons Assault Teams” in the 1960s was not the origins of militarizing police, is probably a reflection of your age, and lack of interest in what happened before you.
Here is a photo of some militarizing of law enforcement from the 1950s, as paratroopers of the 101st Airborne, controlled Little Rock with bayonets.
Here is some 1960s militerization from almost 5,000 82nd and 101st paratroopers in Detroit in 1967, the year that the first SWAT team was created.
Here is some militarization from 1971.
""The government now put one of these plans into action to protect the Capital. While protesters listened to music, planned their actions or slept, the authorities quickly moved 10,000 Federal troops to various locations in the D.C. area, including 4,000 paratroopers from the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division. At one point, so many soldiers and marines were being moved into the area from bases along the East Coast that troop transports were landing at the rate of one every three minutes at Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland, about 15 miles from the White House. These troops were to back up the 5,100 D.C. Metropolitan Police and 2,000 D.C. National Guard troops that were already on the streets.
A state of siege existed in the Capital. Thousands of troops and thousands of demonstrators planned to confront each other on Monday May 3rd. Nixon’s internal security forces had moved into place early Monday morning. Every bridge coming into the city was lined with troops. Every monument, park and traffic circle had troops protecting its perimeters. Paratroopers and marines made helicopter combat assaults onto the grounds of the Washington Monument. Hundreds of troops were brought into the city by helicopter to support the police. While the troops were in place and thousands held in reserve""
SWAT was started in the 1960s so that police departments could put up military style weapons and tactics against well armed, and militant, and combat oriented political groups who were willing to, and were, engaging in battle and using military weapons and tactics of their own, such as ambushes and sniper deployment.
I’m not obsses with creating any ‘’myth’’ Poindexter, I’m talking about law enforcement, the police. I’ve got a brother-in-law who is a retired chief of police from a major northern New Jersey city and former 82nd. Airborne trooper(Korea) as well as two cousins, one a retired patrol Sergeant and the other a retired assistant chief of police from my hometown. It’s their opinions I listen to and all three cite the drug war as a reason so much of the policing in America has become ‘’militarized’’. Point of fact pal, I was born in 1956 so do the math. What you’re showing me here is a response by Democrat governors in the South in response to the forced integration of the public schools. I also believe you’re showing me pictures of National Guard troops called up during the 1967 riots in Newark, NJ? I lived in Kearny, across the Paasiac River from Newark. I remember that summer very well. My best friends dad was a Kearny cop on duty at the time, carrying a shotgun. That was a scary time. However these were isolated incidents. Now do me a favor and go chase yourself, you’re becoming a pain in the ass.
Just like I said, you went back to talking about yourself and people that you know.
You don’t even know what those photos are of, even though they are labeled.
You think that a Governor can call out the 101st Airborne, that the 82nd Airborne and 101st in Detroit, is National Guardsmen in NJ even though they are described, and then start talking about yourself again, why?
Why do you keep pretending that the creation of “Special Weapons Assault Teams” SWAT, in the 1960s was not the origins of militarizing police?
Didn’t say it wasn’t dude. I’m talking about the REASONS for a SWAT team. Get it Bozo? A governor of any state is allowed to call up the national Guard.
To: jmacusa
Actually Black militants and organized political violence started the militarization of police, not busting the 1960s drug people.
22 posted on 8/13/2013 11:56:17 PM by ansel12
jmacusa, the 101st Airborne Division is not the National Guard, and it was not in 1957, nor is the 82nd Airborne.
I know who and what the 101st Airborne is as well as the 82nd, thank you. It’s been my great honor to have known quite a few of these men, tough son’s of gun’s who jumped into Sicily and Normandy and held the line during the Battle of The Bulge. When cocaine became main stream in the late ‘’70s (coke was a big hit for the disco crowd) and then exploded in the early ‘’80s and there began the rise of the Colombian cartels the police found they were dealing with an utterly ruthless crowd of hoods and soul-less killers who didn’t give a damn about wasting cops. Pablo Escobar made sure of that by buying the kind of heavy fire power to go toe to toe with the cops as well as rival dealers. When Castro emptied his prisons in 1980 he sent the baddest of the bad to Miami and almost over night the place became something out of the Old Wild West, the ‘’Cocaine Cowboys.’’ The cops there were totally unprepared for what followed. Again, they faced people who would and did blow cops away in a heartbeat and any body else using Aks and Mac-10’s. These weren’t hippies or even loud mouthed black drug dealers, these guys were ruthless. Things deteriorated to the point even some Miami cops got involved in the crimes. And at the heart of all this ‘’militarizing the police was drug trade and it’s side business of gun running. The cops simply felt they had to ‘gun up’’ too. Why do you think they ditched the .38’s in favor of the Glock 9?.
Likewise. For all the chaos in this so-called “Arab Spring”, Israel, so far, remains an island of open, free Democratic and civil life.
All hell is breaking lose around us but hopefully, we can keep it in THEIR territory...
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