Posted on 08/01/2013 4:08:45 PM PDT by SteelToe
Several prominent voices in the alternative media are speculating that former CIA analyst and NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden could be a double agent whose revelations are only serving to distract from the much bigger issue of the imminent escalation of the war in Syria.
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No, we demand that there be consequences to violating the Constitution.
Some of the problems we have today is that there is not real consequence for violating the Constitution.
We could remedy that via Constitutional amendment, and I think we need at least two to get things to some semblance of controlled:
| Fiscal Responsibility Amendment | Tax Reform Amendment |
|---|---|
| Section I The power of Congress to regulate the value of the dollar is hereby repealed. Section II The value of the Dollar shall be one fifteen-hundredth avoirdupois ounce of gold of which impurities do not exceed one part per thousand. Section III To guard against Congress using its authority over weights and measures to bypass Section I, the ounce in Section II is approximately 28.3495 grams (SI). Section IV The Secretary of the Treasury shall annually report the gold physically in its possession; this report shall be publicly available. Section V The power of the Congress to assume debt is hereby restricted: the congress shall assume no debt that shall cause the total obligations of the United States to exceed one hundred ten percent of the amount last reported by the Secretary of the Treasury. Section VI Any government agent, officer, judge, justice, employee, representative, or congressman causing gold to be confiscated from a private citizen shall be tried for theft and upon convection shall: a. be removed from office (and fired, if an employee), b. forfeit all pension and retirement benefits, c. pay all legal costs, and d. restore to the bereaved twice the amount in controversy. Section VII The federal government shall assume no obligation lacking funding, neither shall it lay such obligation on any of the several States, any subdivision thereof, or any place under the jurisdiction of the United States. All unfunded liabilities heretofore assumed by the United States are void. Section VIII The federal government shall make all payments to its employees or the several states in physical gold. Misappropriation, malfeasance and/or misfeasance of funds shall be considered confiscation. |
Section I No tax, federal or state, shall ever be withheld from the wages of a worker of any citizen of either. Section II No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied. Section III The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state, therefore no tax (or fine) shall be laid upon munitions or the sale thereof. Section IV The seventh amendment is also hereby recognized, and nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress. Section V No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%. Section VI No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction. Section VII No retroactive or ex post facto tax (or fee) shall ever be valid. Section VIII The congress may not delegate the creation of any tax or fine in any way. Section IX No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position. Section X Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent applying, attempting to apply, or otherwise causing the application of an ex post facto or retroactive law shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit. |
He is a traitor.
He violated espionage laws.
I do not see people being frog marched off into the night based on NSA reading their emails unless there was a warrant and cause.
Ma an Pa Kettle are not being targeted.
There will have to be closed door hearings.
Issa says he is being stonewalled but they are gathering information in hearings.
These things take time.
It would be easier if the GOV was not stacked from top to bottom with Obama Zombies.
We have elections coming up.
We blew the last one, sitting home shouting NO!
“I think, JMHO, that Boston was a trial balloon to see if the people would accept martial law.”
I believe that was part of it.
About a month before the attack the ACLU made a comment about the “militarization’ of the police then went silent and said nothing else about it.
The CPUSA made a comment about illegals taking the fight to the streets about 2 weeks before the attack.
Eric Holder, about a week before the attack, made a comment about blacks spending too much time in prison for their crimes.
O’s WH was on the attack against white gun owners.
They were setting it up that any one of the three, whites, blacks, or illegal radicals would have a reason for the attack.
Of course the news media picked white right wing extremist as being behind the attack.
You’ll need a 2/3s majority.
Do the espionage laws cover unlawful conspiracies to commit crime? Felonies?
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use* of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.* Government LEO interaction is always under the implicit threat of force.
For reference:
Amendment IVIs it unreasonable to collect all the information of someone who is not even accused of breaking the law? Yes, even under a warrant such search must be limited:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I think they were begging to do it again after the Zimmerman verdict.
Get the populous used to it.
“Dunk them in boiling water a few times and they’ll come out like chicken and ham”
(The Man Who Would Be King)
There would have to be hearings on the matter.
Sadly Snowden chose to flee the county.
Not because he is a Hero, but to save his skin.
Martial law fomented over Zimmerman would have worked well toward gun confiscation.
The people did not bite.
Good for them.
I think they were too, but they got caught.
Too many people recognized what they were doing and the info came out about the Zippo adm helping to organize the protest in 2012.
Protest which just coincidently were right before the planned terrorist attack on an airliner where the bomber was a govt agent, meaning it was the Zippo adm which decided when the “failed” attack would take place.
I not that clause extends constitutional rights to aliens.
Whassup with that?
Considering what a Machiavellian SOB Obama is, I have to wonder about who Snowden is and who he works for.
How many years has it been since Fast & Furious?
Why cannot it be that the agency could be defunded/disbanded because it's whole reason of existence is anathema to the Constitution: Seriously, it unlawfully* controls commerce of specific items, some of which [arms] are particularly protected from infringement** under laws which are Ex Post Facto in nature.
* Ddespite what the USSC says, the commerce-clause does not mean that the government can control commerce to the degree it does. The clause places commerce between the states on the same level as between foreign nations: if the federal-government asserted its intent/power to regulate
in foreign countries as it does in the states, it would be a declaration of war.
** Firearms, and the 2nd Amendment. Logically the Bill of Rights amends, and therefore alters the Constitution. As it says in the preface: THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added [&heellip;] See? Restricted!
*** This is due to the gun-control law making sentenced-felons (even ex-felons, those already having served) ineligible to buy weapons, even after serving their sentences. (This is even according to the USSC's definition of Ex Post Facto; See Calder v. Bull.)
Simple: The Constitution limits the government, not the people.
Sorry, mis-associated this post with the constitutional amendment idea... you know, I don't know about that clause... though on its face it would seem to be invalidating immigration-law.
DOJ is unconstitutional?
They surely are acting in such a manner and it is difficult to get at them at the moment.
I never did get the back story on how they cleared those arms via State Dept.
Hillary Clinton said no such ITAR request was ever received. from DOJ
Obama has to many Czars in place
Issa says they are making progress in the IRS matter.
They did prove that is was not rogue agents in Cincinnati IRS.
It went to DC.
Lois Lerner is due back for hearings.
Obama is swamping the Gov and the people with So Much BS that people lose interest in yesterdays scandal and it quietly fades.
Thanks for the “e”
Cheap Chines keyboard!
I'm thinking it's somewhere along those lines.
Someone may work for a legit agency but it's just a cover, their loyalty is not to the country but to Hillary/Obama.
“All this stuff has always got on.”
...but not archived into a complete collection that is searchable.
“Until I see proof that this was done without judicial approval, there is nothing here to see.”
Judicial approval that circumvents the Constitution is illegal.
“I KNOW for FACT that Snowden broke espionage laws.”
The Constitution is the highest law.
Bush was a fool for not purging the Gov.
We always do that.
Libs always purge everyone when they get power.
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