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To: FourtySeven

One sentence. Quoted from the catechism or the bible, from which it is derived

The church does not state that one must be catholic to be saved

Take it up with a clergyman

One quote a direct statement

Otherwise it’s all a lot of nonsense


482 posted on 07/30/2013 6:56:31 AM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne
"The church does not state that one must be catholic to be saved.."

Correct. What it "does" say is that "outside the Church (the Body of Christ)" there is no salvation.

I think the hypothetical case offered explains it well....a "not a Catholic" person dies. Said individual has done his or her best to "be a good person" during life. At death, Christ reveals THE TRUTH, and basically says "are you with me or against me".

Answer = yes......from that point, the soul "is" inside the Church, and thus saved, though probably will require a stint in Purgatory. Answer = no...go to Hell, go straight to hell, do not pass "GO".

Remember..."the Church" has three parts...the "Church on earth" (you and me), the "Church suffering" (souls saved but requiring purification in Purgatory), and the "Church Triumphant" (purified souls in Heaven).

483 posted on 07/30/2013 7:43:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: stanne
The church does not state that one must be catholic to be saved

I never said it did. I was saying though, that the Church claims and has always claimed that outside the Church (the Body of Christ), there is no salvation.

It's only because you refuse to read what I posted that you still don't see that the infallible claim Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus does not necessarily mean one "must be Catholic while alive on Earth" to be saved.

But if you want to continue to resist a Catholic teaching (taught by Councils and Popes) just because it sounds like something it's not, to you, then I can't help you. Sheesh, I never thought I'd get such resistance to this from a fellow Catholic.

The last word is yours if you desperately need it.

485 posted on 07/30/2013 8:51:04 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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