Posted on 07/25/2013 7:58:19 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Pope Francis on Thursday issued the first social manifesto of his young pontificate, telling slum dwellers in Brazil that the world's rich must do much more to wipe out vast inequalities between the haves and the have-nots.
The pope also urged Brazil's youth, who have taken part in recent protests showing discontent with the status quo, to keep alive their "sensitivity towards injustice" and be a catalyst in the fight against corruption.
The first Latin American pope, who has rallied the Church on behalf of the poor and who lives more austerely than his predecessors, called for a "culture of solidarity" to replace the "selfishness and individualism" prevailing in modern society.
"No one can remain insensitive to the inequalities that persist in the world," he told residents of Manguinhos, a sprawling shantytown, or favela, of ramshackle brick dwellings that until recently was overrun by violence and controlled by drug lords.
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“Why would I not tell my wife?
Do you think that I would marry a non-Christian?
I’m very sorry you have a problem with Christ and His words.”
What in heavens name are you talking about? I said you should give up all your wealth now, but don’t tell your wife when the mover comes to take out all your worldly goods, with a lol attached. Obviously you didn’t pick up on that. Marry a non-Christian? Where did THAT come from? I never said anything about who you married and I could care less. And as to the problem with Christ line you came up with, you don’t know me from an Adam’s apple, so don’t jump to any conclusions as to who has a corner on Christ’s market. Geez.... Talk about reading all sorts of meaning into my comments that are totally misconstrued from what I was actually saying. Bottom line, give up all your wealth now if you literally interpret what Christ meant when he said to do so. And if you aren’t, why not?
Isn’t the Catholic Church loaded with that ‘filthy lucre’ stuff? Controls much of the world’s wealth? What is the Catholic Church doing about this ‘social injustice’?
““Social justice” does not belong to the communists, it’s an idea the communists stole from Christianity. Just because we denounce Communism doesn’t mean we reject the original idea.”
They are one and the same now, as it pertains to Latin America. That is the common connotation regarding the communist influence in South America and its infiltration into the Catholic Church and amongst many priests. It is redistribution of the wealth from the rich to the poor. This Pope just stated that the rich “must” do more for the poor and he called for a “culture of solidarity” to replace the “selfishness and individualism” prevailing in modern society. That is communist speak, especially the use of the word “solidarity” which is what Obama and his minions use all the time, along with most commie inclined minority groups.
And attacking individualism? He just attacked the whole Republican Party and the history of our founding fathers based on rugged individualism. And an attack on the capitalistic philosophy, I might add. Conservatives believe a rising tide lifts all boats. The more capitalism is practiced, the better off everyone in the country is, as it increases the size of the middle class, and a large middle class is what keeps a country from becoming communist in the first place. That is why Obama and his Admin want to get rid of the middle class, so that he can make us into a socialist/communist country according to his ideology. This Pope, to me, is showing his “social justice” hand, in the bad connotation of the words, and I’m not a happy camper. I want Pope Benedict back and I’m sticking to that.
I was inwardly leery but totally respectful of this Pope from the gitgo....and I posted WHY on this board at that time. His words were catching my attention virtually daily.
Many of us have decades of training in the language of the marxist, socialists and redistributionists. We know very well their emphasis on appealing to the emotions of the under-informed to further their agendas. Plus, we know how they also use their tried-and-true "buzzwords".
Buzzwords are words invoked to elicit positive or negative emotions and responses. ""Stalin" is a buzzword, evoking negative reactions. "Social justice" is a buzzword phrase evoking positive reactions. How can anyone not be in favor of "social justice"?
Trouble is, the marxists and redistributionists have now stolen this perfectly fine phrase to utilize it as one of their most effective propaganda tools to confiscate the wealth of the haves to give it away to the underprivileged.
This new Pope has gone out of his way to be one of the "common folks" which is fine, but he is now coupling this with some emotion-driven, seemingly "social justice" rhetoric........which is now causing a conservative capitalist such as I to begin to wonder where he's going with all this.
Leni
“Socialism gained popularity in the 19th century because the decidedly unchristian behavior of some made it possible for some very evil men to use that as an excuse to rile up the masses. The only thing that will finally relegate socialism to the dustbin of history is authentic Christian behavior on the part of the vast majority.”
Good points, though I suspect we can never go back to the point where we were responsible for our own actions/decisions. Americans have liked the taste of the no-consequence lifestyle, so we’ll always have socialism (and abortion).
Pope Benedict Emeritus, you have to understand was just simply too worn out to continue being Pope. Plus he may have had health issues. Also well into his 80’s, as close to advance age as my dear mother who is in her 80’s.
Also Pope Francis is much more like a Francisian than a Jesuit in living a simple life.
You got to remember that God puts Popes in the position of being Pope at a time when they are called to lead the Church as Christ’s Vicar.
Plus I have not seen such joy in the faces of the young people since Saint John Paul II.
Plus we should rejoice that it is a FIRST that a Pope is from the Americas.
+1000
“Plus we should rejoice that it is a FIRST that a Pope is from the Americas.”
Not from South America, which is still very third world in many places. And it is not of western heritage and by that I mean countries that derived from Europe, of European heritage, such as Canada, the U.S., Australia. And of course, from Europe. Catholicism grew up in the West, not in China, not in India, not in Latin America, not in Africa, but in Europe and her offshoots. That’s just the way it is. Any other culture does not have the same history, social mores, ways of thinking about Catholicism. My opinion for you to prove to me otherwise.
God is not a Capitalist, any more than he is a Communist. And heaven is not some libertarian utopia, in fact it is a benevolent monarchy with no private properties.
Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist, and instead look at as Godly vs the unGodly.
“Plus I have not seen such joy in the faces of the young people since Saint John Paul II.”
The Church is not just for the young. If it were, the Church couldn’t survive easily as it isn’t the young that have any of that evil capitalistic money that keeps the Church afloat.
Ahhh...sounds like you are the judge of what is righteous...you should look in a mirror.
“Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist”
No thanks. I’d rather look at the world as capitalist than communist any day.
You forget that the Church is not just only in Europe, but it has gone forth, to the Americas, to Africa, and to other countries as well. You forget that it took Europe to colonize the Americas, both North and South. And even now, though there are still 3rd world conditions in South America, Brazil in a special way, with a country that is not just hosting WYD, but also the World Soccer tournament and the summer olympics, it is making an effort to better itself.
Plus Pope Franics is saying by him being Pope that it is time Catholics that we rediscover the Bible.
“Christians need to stop looking at the world as capitalist vs communist, and instead look at as Godly vs the unGodly.”
By the way, capitalist = mostly godly; communist = mostly ungodly.
At least we are seeing with HOPE the future of the Church at events such as WYD.
“You forget that the Church is not just only in Europe, but it has gone forth, to the Americas, to Africa, and to other countries as well. You forget that it took Europe to colonize the Americas, both North and South.”
Where to start. How patronizing to tell me I forget that the Church is not only Europe. Obviously the Catholic Church is now throughout the world via evangelization. However, it is, and was, a Western religion, not an African, Indian, Chinese, Latin American religion in origin, as I thought I made clear in my last post to you. I’ll try again. I believe the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, should not come from a country that is not western in origin.
The Catholic Church’s heritage is in the west and should be led by a western Pope. Anyone from any country can be a Catholic, however, the leader should be from where the religion primarily existed for a couple of thousand years, which is in the Western heritage countries, not third world ones. And I don’t know about others, but I didn’t realize the Bible needed rediscovering.
Why?
Besides this Pope at least, via his parents were Italian so he does have a western heritage.
Maybe you forget that it was God who guided the cardinals to elect Pope Francis who is needed at a time when the Gospel of Jesus not only has to be preached, but lived out?
Hmmm, an opinion of mine now turns YOU into the judge of what is righteous. Speaking of mirrors...you brought it up.
Was I sugar coatin' it?
I thought this was an OPINION FORUM. Dang. WHAT was I thinking??
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