Wind turbines ARE a human health hazard: the smoking gun

The London Telegraph ^ | July 25, 2013 | James Delingpole

[LibLieSlayer]

That does sound like the “consensus logic” that liars like gore and others use to promote the largest scam ever pulled on man. There is no consensus in real science... only scientific method.

LLS

[bert]

Wind is air flow resulting from weather. The air mass moves to compensate for temperature differences between extremes. Warm air moves to a cooler location

If global warming is successfully harnessed, wind will slow and diminish overall.The industry is doomed by it’s own adherents

[Usagi_yo]

Well, law of thermodynamics apply to both believers and non-believers — if that was your question.

The point was, no matter what we do to produce energy, something happens. We lose something knowingly or unknowingly considered or not.

[grania]

You refer to the "butterfly effect" of chaos theory, which as an example is if a butterfly flaps its wings on the west coast, the small changes it creates become greater over time and occurance, and can create a storm by the time it reaches the east coast. Or something like that.

These aren't just the occasional wooden windmills, They're huge metal turbines, often in groupings. They kill birds. Could they be one factor in weather weirdness?

I'm not convinced about fracking being good for the environment. Same problem, they're causing small relatively small changes surrounding the fracking site, but does that create even greater problems over distance and time?

So many questions, so few answers.

[FreedomPoster]

My thoughts on thermodynamics can be found here.

And I have a couple ME degrees such that I've forgotten more about Thermodynamics than most will ever know.

[Usagi_yo]

Which will lead to jealousy and we know jealousy leads to anger and anger leads to ..... The Dark Side.

[Safetgiver]

I’m not convinced about fracking being good for the environment....Nobody ever tried to postulate that fracking is good for the environment. They do point out that it is NOT dangerous for the environment.

[Brett66]

If any change occurs to wind patterns it will be blamed on global warming and then we might agree to whatever tax or freedom-robbing idea they come up with to solve it.

Government is responsible for any changes in climate now, it’s up to them to create perfection in the climate through destruction of our freedoms.

[bert]

What makes you think fracking has any effect on the environment at all?

Your premise means you have been duped by the enviros.

[grania]

Some of those ads sure do promote fracking as being good for the environment because it provides money for family farms to survive and the oil doesn't have to be acuired in from more dangerous environments.

In OH there have already been some questions of water quality in nearby wells and minor earthquakes, but those cute ads sure don't mention them. <^..^>

[bert]

The stuff you note indicates the propaganda lies are effective. You are frightened enough to worry about them It apparently did not occur to you they are all lies.

[okie01]

I’m not convinced about fracking being good for the environment....Nobody ever tried to postulate that fracking is good for the environment. They do point out that it is NOT dangerous for the environment.

You do realize that fracking has been a common oilfield practice since the 1950s, don't you? There are, literally, tens of thousands of fracked wells in Texas and Oklahoma.

The only difference now is that it's being done in hortizontal wells, rather than restricted to vertical wells. And it's being done in areas outside the traditional "oilpatch", like Pennsylvania.

But, after sixty years-or-so, wouldn't one expect any adverse effects to become evident? To be sure, the enviros are turning over rocks looking for them, but none have surfaced.

[grania]

the stuff you indicates the propaganda lies are effective. You are frightend enough to worry about them.

Actually, the propaganda ads were supporting fracking by saying the revenue helps save family farms etc. The factual things are that nearby wells are polluted and there have been minor earthquakes near some fracking location.

So where did I indicate that I fell for the propaganda?

[Safetgiver]

I know it has no effect because Dad and I fracc’d our first well in 1960 and did hundreds since. No water issues, no ‘earthquakes’, but it did not IMPROVE the environment at all.

[UCANSEE2]

Good point re wind degradation.

Maybe. But if we are going to consider that aspect, then we must also consider that...

All our buildings, especially our SKYSCRAPERS, alter and degrade the wind.

The local weather in cities is 'altered' by the presence of such buildings.

Then we need to consider the highways, streets, and parking lots. These are giant heat sinks that retain heat. Then there are the buildings themselves. Artificially heated or cooled , they also alter the local 'weather'. They HAVE been altering local weather and GLOBAL temperatures for many, many years.

The amount of 'change' in global climate caused by turbines is probably comparable to the amount of 'change' caused by human generated CO2.

That being said, Wind turbines of the DESIGN currently used need to stop.

It's the design that causes all the problems, and that is easily solved. Density of units is easily solved.

Get your own wind turbine. Have multiple units installed on tops of buildings.

LIKE THIS:

[Osage Orange]

I believe I said what you said...but in a different way.

[cripplecreek]

Yeah.

Wind sucks. LOL