Posted on 07/25/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by cicero2k
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg got political on his Q2 2013 earnings call yesterday, criticizing America for not producing enough talented engineers for him to recruit.
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
No I'm not.
The E-Schools have the best ROI. I live near one of the best, the Colorado School of Mines. They are number 6 in ROI, nationwide. The school is tearing down perfectly good infrastructure to build better due to alumni gratitude.
It’s also easier to just get a job in finance which pays more and has better hours.
Pays better????
Here is NACE’s list of top-paying majors for new college graduates:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/
Computer Engineering
$70,400
Chemical Engineering
$66,400
Computer Science
$64,400
Aerospace/Aeronautical/Astronautical Engineering
$64,000
Mechanical Engineering
$62,900
Electrical/Electronics and Communications Engineering
$62,300
Civil Engineering
$57,600
Finance
$57,300
Construction Science/Management
$56,600
Information Sciences and Systems
$56,100
There is some truth in this. Our company always goes offshore for development when possible, or hires the H1B.
However, there is usually a cultural and communication gap.
Facebook has tons of money, and paying American rates for engineering talent is likely not an issue.
What good is a roomful of engineers, if you can't talk to them?
Or more importantly, what good are they if they can't talk to your customers?
America needs to hire the Engineers they have
EXACTLY. AND PAY THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH.
There you go, lock the thread.
Top financial positions pay way more, but they generally have tougher hours.
Corporate America will never get decent engineers with the current pay structures and general attitude towards engineers or technical types. They are reaping what they have sown.
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Are you sure of that?
Petroleum Engineers just out of school have starting salaries pushing $90K. Just off hand that sounds pretty good.
seriously?
IT takes a LOT of computer systems design (engineering) to build a system with the capacity of facebook. It’s huge
And software engineers don’t grow on trees either. (I was hatched from a space egg)
Well, he worked so hard and stuck with his education so he should well know what it takes to be an engineer.
Engineers are not programmers. Engineers build stuff. Facebook is not stuff. It is nothing. It does not add any value at all.
America has become expert at producing nothing of value including facebook and sukkerberg.
Why become an engineer when to become a manager/executive a person only needs to get an MBA and a PMP? I mean, why kill yourself to understand engineering when you can understand next to nothing but be in charge and make bigger bucks?
That is exactly what is happening. Very few people want to get an engineering degree. They all want a simple MBA and a 12 week wonder PMP. Easy stuff. No sense in spending big bucks and major time and effort to learn engineering when the money is in “management”.
Yep. Hey Zuckerberg, the Black Male unemployment rate is about 40% That means they’re available. They’re on your
‘side’. You should just go teach them to be engineers. Obammy wants you to.
Good luck with that.
Education, for the last 40 years, has existed primarily in order to help women and blacks feel good about themselves.
I agree with this and #1. Social media is not engineering and neither is gaming IMO. Some software fits the definition of engineering but there is not sense of adventure or achievement when I was briefly stuck working on webpages and crap like that.
“Talented”? Since when are schools about talent?
I thought we were talking about college grads, not folks with a decade or so experience. Engineering Managers running large departments, or specialized experienced engineers are making far more. I know several making over $200k/yr.
33% of the S&P 500 CEOs’ undergraduate degrees are in engineering and only 11% are in business administration.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ceos-majored-in-engineering-2011-3?op=1#ixzz2a4mgziWL
America needs to produce Engineers willing to live in the insanely expensive Bay Area for not more than $75K per year.
There, fixed it.
From the guy who dropped out of Harvard to establish Facebook...
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