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Ted Cruz could beat Hillary
Salon ^ | SATURDAY, JUL 20, 2013 | JONATHAN BERNSTEIN

Posted on 07/21/2013 2:01:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

He may be a right-wing nut, but the Texas senator can beat a Democrat in a general election. Here's why

There’s been some more buzz this week about Ted Cruz’s presidential prospects. The demagoguing senator took his first trip to Iowa just six months after being sworn in to office, and he’s pretty clearly reaching for the White House. Early reports are that it’s going well. And Rich Yeselson wrote a high-profile (and fascinating) essay arguing that, basically, Cruz is perfectly positioned for reaching the top of the Republican ticket.

The focus of this piece is on Cruz’s general election viability. When it comes to the primary, I’m not going to start handicapping the viable candidates seeking the Republican nomination yet; I’ll only say that I don’t see any reason not to include Cruz in that group, as of now. Viable candidates have conventional credentials and are in the mainstream of their party on questions of public policy. Cruz, from what we know now, qualifies. With four years in elected office by January 2017, he’ll be in a similar boat with Barack Obama (who, granted, had held lower office as well) and Mitt Romney (who at least had four full years before his campaign began). And while Cruz surely is planted at an edge of the Republican mainstream, I don’t see any reason, so far, to believe he’s close to falling off that edge. Whether or not Yeselson is correct that Cruz is a particularly strong candidate, it’s certainly very possible to see him nominated.

But what about the general election? Could he actually win?

What I hear from many liberals about Cruz’s chances are two things. One is just disbelief: Republicans wouldn’t really do something like nominate Cruz, would they? The key is that Ted Cruz isn’t Herman Cain or even Michele Bachmann; he’s a United States senator, and that counts for something (that is, conventional credentials count for something) in presidential elections. So, yes, they really could do something like that.

The other thing I hear, however, is perhaps even more wrong. Some liberals react by actively rooting for Cruz. The theory? The nuttier the nominee, the worse the chances of Republicans retaking the White House. Indeed, in conversation I’ve heard all sorts of justifications: Cruz couldn’t possibly win Florida! Therefore, he couldn’t win the White House!

Don’t listen to it.

The smart money play for liberals remains to root, in the Republican primary, for whichever candidate would make the best – or perhaps the least-worst – president.

The bottom line is that candidates just don’t matter all that much in presidential elections. Yes, a reputation for ideological extremism hurts, but it appears to hurt maybe 2 or 3 percentage points. Yes, George McGovern and Barry Goldwater had reputations for ideological extremism and were buried, but in both cases it was by a popular president during good times. Ronald Reagan wasn’t slowed much (although, still, some) by his conservative image. Don’t get me wrong: There’s no evidence for the opposite theory, that avoiding the squishy center (in either direction) will magically produce an avalanche of new voters who otherwise would have stayed home. Going moderate is better. It just isn’t all that much better.

Now, on top of that, it’s an open question whether Cruz would really wind up with a reputation as more of a fringe figure than any other plausible nominee. For one thing, the Republican nomination process may bring out inflamed rhetoric, but it’s also likely to create converging policy views among the candidates. Indeed, it’s not impossible to imagine a scenario in which Cruz wins the nomination as the hero of conservatives, which then leaves him far more free to pivot to the center in the general election race than a less trusted candidate might have. Granted, the other possibility is very real as well – Cruz spends the nomination fight solidifying his conservative reputation, and then finds it sticks with him no matter what he does later. And it’s worth noting that Mitt Romney’s reputation as relatively moderate managed to survive everything he did in in the entire 2012 election cycle.

The bottom line, however, is that Ted Cruz is unlikely to drop more than a couple points to the Democratic nominee. And that’s not likely to swing the election. Could it? Sure; even a small bump would have sunk the Republicans in 2000, for example. But most elections aren’t narrow enough for a couple of points to make a difference.

The only exception to this would be for someone who doesn’t even have conventional credentials. Nominate Cain or Bachmann, and it’s not difficult to believe that the penalty would be very large. There’s no way of knowing, however, because no one like that ever gets nominated. So, sure, root for them, but it ain’t gonna happen.

So what it all comes down to is if you really believe that Cruz is more dangerous as president than Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie or the rest of the likely field, then you most definitely don’t want him in place just in case 2016 turns out to be a good year for Republicans.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016elections; cruz2016; hillary2016
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To: Sirius Lee

You are seriously mistaken.

The United States bought the Canal Zone, and when McCain was born - the Canal Zone was just as much a part of America as the rest of it.


81 posted on 07/21/2013 4:47:11 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
The United States bought the Canal Zone, and when McCain was born - the Canal Zone was just as much a part of America as the rest of it.

And yet Congress had to pass a law saying that McCain was NBC (wink wink).

82 posted on 07/21/2013 4:49:14 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: nickcarraway

I missed the asshole alert


83 posted on 07/21/2013 4:50:22 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I smell a concern troll.


84 posted on 07/21/2013 4:57:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: faucetman
"What part of Canada don’t you understand?"

The part that Canada was where his American mother had Cruz, and therefore making Cruz eligible for the Presidency. If the SCOTUS takes it; they will find Cruz eligible, and I will not be "understanding that part of Canada" all the way to the voting booth with a Cruz for President bumper sticker!

85 posted on 07/21/2013 4:58:58 PM PDT by celmak
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To: nickcarraway
"So what it all comes down to is if you really believe that Cruz is more dangerous as president than Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Chris Christie or the rest of the likely field, then you most definitely don’t want him in place just in case 2016 turns out to be a good year for Republicans.

You can really smell the fear in this article!

86 posted on 07/21/2013 5:00:07 PM PDT by celmak
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To: nickcarraway

hillary’s old (I say that as a person who’s a little older). She left the WH in 2000, that’s 16 years before the next election. Voters 35 and younger won’t have any memory of her time in the WH or as US Senator.....she’ll be hammered on Benghazi, droning, and all the bad foreign policy decisions while she was SoS. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul can destroy her on those issues.


87 posted on 07/21/2013 5:04:28 PM PDT by grania
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To: Sirius Lee

I was referring to Rafael Cruz not Ted.


88 posted on 07/21/2013 5:09:58 PM PDT by deport
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To: Cyclone59

Be still my beating heart, be still.

Cruz/West 2016
West/Cruz 2016

its all good!


89 posted on 07/21/2013 5:21:42 PM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: Sirius Lee

Umm, no. Sorry. :)


90 posted on 07/21/2013 5:52:57 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: celmak

Apparently the US annexed Canada. Who knew?


91 posted on 07/21/2013 5:53:34 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well then. Go ahead and report all the folks opposed to Cruz running for president.

Good luck with that!


92 posted on 07/21/2013 5:55:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Umm, no. Sorry. :)

Okay, I forgive you.

93 posted on 07/21/2013 5:57:16 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee

McCain was always eligible. Cruz is not. This isn’t difficult, unless you believe that Canada = the Canal zone.


94 posted on 07/21/2013 6:01:24 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

Cruz is NBC.


95 posted on 07/21/2013 6:03:03 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: JCBreckenridge
"Well then. Go ahead and report all the folks trolls opposed to Cruz running for president."

OK.

96 posted on 07/21/2013 6:11:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yawn.


97 posted on 07/21/2013 6:12:30 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: Sirius Lee

No, he’s not. Sorry.

Why are you trying to strip our Senator away?


98 posted on 07/21/2013 6:12:54 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge

99 posted on 07/21/2013 6:24:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Sorry.

No need to keep apologizing. It is I who should apologize to you for depriving you of a good Senator. However all of America needs him, and you must accept that he will be our next President.

100 posted on 07/21/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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