Dick Cheney is wrong and Rand Paul is right.
Paul believes in the Constitution’s provision that a warrant be issued specifically detailing the wwwwwh’s of a search.
I see the Constitution as our guiding document, and if Cheney or anyone wants it changed, then they are free to pursue and amendment. The “Fisa” court is an attempt to amend the constitution by legislative vote IF it’s given ANY authority to short-circuit that constitutional requirement.
We don’t have secret courts issuing secret, rushed warrants in the Constitution. Anything in the Bill of Rights should be held to a HIGHER standard and not to a lower one.
Some say this makes us vulnerable to terrorists. I disagree. If they’ve only found a terrorist plan by painstaking research or field work, then the extra few days to do this properly is no impediment.
If they have discovered an act to be carried out against the US, then the President is the Commander in Chief, and he has the authority to make immediate strikes to protect our security.
FU cheney! This guy should be tried for war crimes and treason.
Of course it is important to know what a Nation’s “Enemies” are up to.
The key word here is “Enemies”.
Spy on America’s “Enemies” all you want.
The NSA, IRS, EPA, DOJ, TSA, HSA, CIA, and other Harassment and Surveillance has been targeting AMERICAN CITIZENS, and for exercising their 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights.
In protecting his daughter, Dick is overlooking the purpose of the spying. Perhaps had the Republicans been as willing as their counterparts to use their intelligence gathering to fix the news and the elections we wouldn’t have had the current government mess.
He who controls the information and the information providers has some latitude in how the world runs.
" We have to bug your granny's phone, your daughter's phone, your phone and your wife's phone...just in case you might be a terrorist.
Then, and only then, we will let you blow up Boston at your digression.
And you muffed it. Completely. Whether it was incompetence, Saudi and Kuwaiti influence buying, or simply lack of willpower, you screwed the pooch, throwing thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars down the rathole.
So just shut up and go away.
Yep, still sticking with Rand.
Et tu, Cheney?
What is it with these GOPers that, if they can’t at least support those that they should consider closest to them, they just can’t seem to keep their damn mouths shut and so end up siding with our enemies?
If you want to try and make it unconstitutional by rewriting the 4th amendment and getting that ratified...knock yourself out.
But this:
“Two-thirds of the Congress wasn’t here on 9/11, or for that period immediately after when we got into this program,” Cheney said on “Fox News Sunday.” He later added: “When you consider the possibility of somebody smuggling something like a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very, very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched.”
Is just the old, "Trust me, you need to give up your freedom for security," nonsense all power mongers try to get past the people.
I was there on 911, Dick, and so were most Americans. We want to catch and kill the bad guys. We do not want to use the largest fishing expedition in history and make all Americans treated like criminals to do it.
That dog don't hunt in these parts, Dick.
Use the program specifically for those people you can get a probable cause and judge order/warrant based on. That will allow you to track and catch the bad guys and the people who may associate with them.
Otherwise, you are sounding more and more like the type of powermongers we are dedicated to fighting and to stopping. The temptation for abuse, as we have already seen, is simply far too great to unleash such a program on all Americans and their personal data and effects.
Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!
And let me also add to this post that this surveillance has nothing to do with security. It has everything to do with databasing as much information on each citizen as they possibly can.
I’m involved in healthcare and I see what is happening with “Meaningful Use.”
I knew that HIPAA had nothing to do with “patient privacy” as it was sold (Orwellian Newspeak) and everything to do with establishing the channels to have all of your healthcare information shared among dozens of federal bureaucracies.
You needed a Xanax for that cross-country flight? That’s an anti-anxiety prescription. Maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to purchase that firearm.
HIPAA set up the precedent to share that personal, private information. Socialist Medicine under this administration is establishing the actual databases to collect and disseminate that information.
“Meaningful Use” ensures that a large amount of personal data IS captured and that it is captured in such a format that multiple databases (from multiple agencies) can tap into it.
Wake up, people.
Just like the IRS scandal was allowed to be leaked in order to dry up funding and vocal support for conservatives in 2014, the NSA scandal was leaked to shut you up in terms of speaking out against an Orwellian state.
The unAffordable Care Act has nothing to do with affordability and nothing to do with care. It has everything to do with destroying all vestiges of private healthcare and putting the state in control of that and, through healthcare, through just about all aspects of your life.
I just can’t buy people like Bush/Cheney/McCain who profess such intense concern over “national security” to the point of this massive domestic NSA data-mining, yet have been happily complicit in leaving the borders so wide open for year after year.
Dick Cheney is wrong.
Recently Jorge attempts to give obama cover by endorsing cultural and economic suicide via amnesty, and now Richie gives his blessing to ignore the 4A and poo-poos blatant government overreach in general. Not only do these two fail to solve problems, they create new ones
Meanwhile both of them are immune to the fallout of what's to come. Thanks a lot for your 'service' boys.
I think Dick Cheney might be attacking a straw man here.
Rand, AFAIK, isn’t against gathering of intelligence on terrorist suspects.
I am not against that, either.
What I *do* oppose is the systemic and systematic gathering of data on every American person and their behaviors...which is what Ed Snowden appears to have revealed.
I also believe men of ill repute and bad character ought not be in charge of such information. I believe Dick Cheney is well aware of the current regime’s lack of good character—and in fact Dick Cheney, I am certain, did not support the current regime....
So Rand Paul is right, and so is Dick Cheney—they just appear to be talking about different things. That is how I see this debate.
Here’s an idea, Dick. How ‘bout stopping people from coming into our country we think might cause us harm. Let’s do a little profiling. Will we not survive if we stop allowing muslims in? Are we that afraid that we cannot survive unless muslims own all the convenience stores and fast food joint? Do we hate Christians so much that we want a muslim to buy Chic fil A?
The danger of the gathering of this metadata is that it is now an unexpungeable record of all your friends and relations—your circle of contacts. If ever you are accused of anything, justly or unjustly, they can interrogate or otherwise go after your friends and family.
That is its chilling effect on activism. They know that people may be willing to put themselves out on a limb for what they believe in, but they will not risk their loved ones. That is our Achilles’ heel, and they know it and have cleverly used it.
It is too late. We have been caught in the noose, and it was inevitable once everything became electronic. Even if the NSA procedures are changed, and I guess they won’t be anyway, we can never again be sure that the knowledge is not out there somewhere.
Sincerely,
Cassandra
How this vile man ever came to be admired by so many conservatives has always been a mystery to me. Thankfully more and more are waking up. Better late than never.
Many libs and a few brave conservatives spoke out against the security state back in 2001-2008 only to be shouted down as "terror supporters" and "traitors." Now that a Dem is in the WH (inheriting the same powers handed to the POTUS by Bush/Cheney) suddenly the GOP base sees the error of its ways while the outraged libs have gone strangely silent.
Hypocrites, all over the place.
I keep trying to go with Cheney because he does indeed know the inside dope. But he and Bush2 are also the guys who just kept Iran and the Norks in the nuke business. At some point “gathering intelligence” is just a dodge for sitting on ones hands, butt, head or whatever is comfy. The peace dividend is peace but only if you stomp the krap out of trouble makers
With respect to the sociopaths who run fedgov - the same people who brought us the Fast and Furious inside job (and then tried to use it to attack the 2A) - does anyone seriously believe that it is their intention to protect our lives, liberty and property? No sale.
What is that Founders quote again about those who would give up their liberty for a promise of short term security, and then end up with neither?