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Low-down on Korean pilots (re Asiana crash)
Professional Pilots Rumour Network ^ | 9th Jul 2013, 19:53 | Expat trainer

Posted on 07/10/2013 7:58:51 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Zhang Fei

wow


21 posted on 07/10/2013 8:41:00 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Zhang Fei

great article


22 posted on 07/10/2013 8:44:03 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rlmorel
I have flown throughout Asia in all kinds of weather..including landing in Manila, Tokyo and Hong Kong during typhoons.

The pilots got us into these airports, that were closed to outgoing traffic, after long trans pacific and a polar routes with no problems. From my sense as a passenger they knew what they were doing...

As I say I have no hesitation flying with any major Asian carrier... but I refuse to fly with the American carriers as much as I would like to...YMMV

23 posted on 07/10/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
A number of my friends are prominent in the aviation community. The article about “the mindset of the inscrutable East in the cockpit designed in the West” IS accurate. That choice of carrier based upon spiffy service could end in a smoking hole, a bad place for your last known address.
24 posted on 07/10/2013 8:51:45 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: Zhang Fei

I don’t consider it much of a risk. The Asian carrier provide much more than pretty woman..they are just better than American carriers in customer service by a massive amount.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 8:55:03 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: rlmorel

Very interesting....and ironically, the Military Channel was playing special tonight on Captain Sully’s landing in the Hudson. The difference in flying abliity and rote memorization of procedures and so on is stark. Sometimes...dang it....you just have to FLY THE PLANE. Sounds like the Asian airlines are not prepared for those eventualities .


26 posted on 07/10/2013 8:56:01 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: GladesGuru

Ill take the so called risk and judging from the fact the Asian carriers are profitable while the shoddy American carriers lose money year after year shows many others take the same risk.


27 posted on 07/10/2013 8:59:15 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
Ill take the so called risk and judging from the fact the Asian carriers are profitable while the shoddy American carriers lose money year after year shows many others take the same risk.

American carriers lost money because their air crews had strong unions and had total pay packages way above their Asian rivals. Now that the unions are flat on their backs, US airlines are making money again.

28 posted on 07/10/2013 9:03:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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29 posted on 07/10/2013 9:07:54 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: montanajoe
I’ve heard the rumors on training but I suspect its the only way American carriers can put butts in the seats..by scaring folks into flying with them.

Yup. Landing a 777 tail first would scare me into a domestic airline.

30 posted on 07/10/2013 9:12:54 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The bottom line is the American carriers offer shoddy indifferent service that has turned a generation of passengers away from the once world class American aviation industry.
Folks that have a vested interest (like their job) in the American carriers will undoubtedly continue to make excuses and claim the air crews are inferior but most folks like me who actually fly a lot are not buying it..
31 posted on 07/10/2013 9:15:13 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

Watch the ‘books’ of any oriental business, ‘specially the Chinese. They are similar to fishermen in that ‘the truth is not in them.”

Happy landing to you and yours.


32 posted on 07/10/2013 9:23:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: logitech

>”We have beaches, mountains,a giant waterfall and the world’s biggest hole”<

We also have the world’s biggest A HOLE.


33 posted on 07/10/2013 9:37:10 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: GladesGuru
I am concerned with service when I fly internationally. Spending 10-16 hours couped up with a surly indifferent American carrier's flight crew is not my idea of a good time...

I fly Oz all the time into both SFO and SeaTac, the last being Memorial Day. I will probably fly them this fall depending on my schedule and this incident has no effect on me.. I'll bring my family and friends on an Asian carrier any time but I wont fly or recommend my friends and clients that they fly an American carrier internationally.

If I do happen to crash some place in Asia and survive I'm pretty confident I wont have to worry about then getting killed by a firetruck..

34 posted on 07/10/2013 9:40:27 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Zhang Fei

>”I wouldn’t risk my life just to have good-looking women waiting on me”<

You’re not Married are you? LOL


35 posted on 07/10/2013 9:42:14 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: rlmorel

I am a retired U.S. Army pilot. Both rotary and fixed wing. If I can relate my experience on a Japan Airlines flight, here it goes.

There we were, 11 hours into a SFO-HND flight. Just approaching the Japanese home islands. Suddenly, all the entertainment screens go blank. The very nice flight attendants grow alarmed. They are all talking to each other mutedly in Japanese. We, of course, have no idea what they’re saying. We seem to be the only non-Japanese on board. The other passengers start to get worried. They are all, of course, Japanese. The Flight attendants try to reassure them, in their language. The Mrs. and I, decidely Gaijin, are not informed nor reassured by the crew.

Then, a Flight Officer emrges from the cockpit despondent and confers with the Flight Attendants, in Japanese, obvioulsy. This is right next to our seats. The Flight Officer seems to be troubleshooting something in the mid-aricraft galley but the results appear...even more alarming!

Now, this is my first trans-pacific flight and we are over water somewhere between Russia and japan. If we go down here, I’m thinking, there’s no chance of us surviving a ditching much less the freezing waters that await us.

The Flight Officer returns to the deck (cockpit) all upset and embarrased. The Flight Attendants grow more alarmed. The wife is asleep and clueless next to me. I think I see one Flight Attendant crying. I am, like, oh shit.

The Captain (I ascertain this because of the gravity of his tone and marked leadership and a good dose of kudasais), starts jabbering something in Japanese, to which the rest of the passengers react to with what I would categorize as “oh, noes”, in their language.

Still hundreds of miles from any land, at night, and in freezing weather (mind you, all I’ve done on this flight is stare at the map and flight progress on my personal TV screen), I’m thinking, oh crap, what the hell’s going on!

So, in my most diplomatic and reverent tone, I approach the head Flight Attendant and ask her if she could translate for us poor Gaijin barbarians what the Captain just announced because I’m already trying to find my flotation device beneath my seat and I can’t find it. Dear Lord, she starts crying. Again!

She sheepeshly tells me, in English, that she, the Captain, Japan Airlines and the Empire of Japan is deeply embarrased to inform me that our airplane’s in-flight entertainment system is malfunctioning and that we won’t be able to finish our FIFTH in-flight movie before final approach into Tokyo-Haneda!

Jesus!


36 posted on 07/10/2013 9:49:30 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: cll

Oh damn no more inflight entertainment.The horror.I bet you were glad you didn’t have to wake up momma with the bad news.That would have been worse than a crash.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 11:15:15 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cll

OMG! What a story! By God, they DO take their customer service SERIOUSLY!


38 posted on 07/11/2013 3:00:59 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: cll

Awesome!


39 posted on 07/11/2013 5:03:07 AM PDT by mindburglar (It must be noon, because I'm drunk somewhere.)
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To: montanajoe

One friend retired from United, his wife still flies for them. A few times a month the largest Boeing made takes off for China with what may be United’s smallest pilot flying left seat. IIRC, she is considered to be one of their best, too.

That in no way means either she or the airline is spared the slings and arrows of outraged Libtardism.

For example, he showed me the flight manifest for one of her flights on which was listed a steward named “Sugarplum Fruitcake”. Seems Mr. Fruitcake was queer, had an argument with his father over his coming out of the closet, and decided to annoy his father. The name choice did annoy dear old Dad. It also is a problem for the airline and the Captain of any flight Mr. Sugarplum flounces onto.

Imagine the reaction of airport/customs officials in Muslim ‘nations’? Open homosexuality is not legal in such places, so Lil’Sugarplum has to be scheduled separately. The Queer in the White Mosque demands it be so, and so does Queer Nation, ad nauseam.

Such behavior is not tolerated in asian aviation.

But being queer and politically protected is not the worst forced upon American airlines. Back when American air carriers were not yet killed by the unions, a place departed Miami International Airport. On climb out, shortly after the wheels left the ground, one of the three engines failed and spooled down.

Climb was continued and the tower was notified and a return was requested and granted. The plane went over the water to turn around and the second engine failed. Flight is possible on one engine and while tension was high, the approach was flawlessly maintained.

Then the last engine began to spool down. Moments like this are when one is thankful the flight crew is not Asian.
Fortunately, the wheels were on the ground before all power from all three engines was lost.

The reason all three engines failed in flight was traced to the mechanic not replacing the safely wires securing the dipsticks on the turbine engine main bearings. The dipsticks vibrated out, the oil came out, and the place came down.

The dipsh*t mechanic who could not remember to wire the dipstick shut could not be fired. Union employee, blah, blah, blabber, blabber.

With unions and Libtardism firmly in control of American regulatory agencies, it is a wonder American air carriers can survive at all.

Tomorrow does not look good, either.


40 posted on 07/11/2013 11:14:17 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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