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Grasping at straws now, aren't they?

1 posted on 07/09/2013 11:46:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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“Negligence is the failure to use reasonable care. Reasonable care is that degree of care which a reasonably careful person would use under like circumstances. Negligence may consist either in doing something that a reasonably careful person would not do under like circumstances or in failing to do something that a reasonably careful person would do under like circumstances.” (Florida Standard Jury Instructions, 4.1).

Yeah, a "reasonable" person would run away from a suspicious individual prowling around the neighborhood, and the prowler would count on law abiding citizens acting in this "reasonable" manner.
28 posted on 07/09/2013 12:15:37 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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Nobody ever mentions that the burglaries in the neighborhood stopped after Martin was shot.


29 posted on 07/09/2013 12:15:50 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Would this not prove that this case was overcharged from the start? Negligence is not bad intent.

I don't know Florida law, but looking at this case the best the state/prosecution should have sought would have been something akin to negligent involuntary manslaughter in the first place. Thats not second degree murder.

30 posted on 07/09/2013 12:16:54 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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31 posted on 07/09/2013 12:17:04 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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A strong case could be made (and is being made, it seems) that GZ was using reasonable care in trying to head off and reduce crime in his neighborhood. A reasonable person, good citizen, could be expected to do the same. He was not neglectful.


32 posted on 07/09/2013 12:17:12 PM PDT by NEMDF
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Good grief, next thing ya know they’ll be saying he killed TM just for the fame of it.


35 posted on 07/09/2013 12:19:19 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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Answer to the question.

A: Lots of robberies. Trevon fit the profile.

(Sorry, libs, but that’s sort of how pattern recognition works. Oh, forgot, pattern recognition is for grownups, not femlib nazis and other libarts marshmallow majors.)


36 posted on 07/09/2013 12:19:24 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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Honestly, few in the black community can rationally talk on topics that involve black people. They get far too emotional, and don't let facts get in the way of their already race-based preconceived notions. We see it with criticism of Obama, and we certainly see it with Trayvon Martin.

I can' tell you how may times I've now discussed the case with black people only to have them conclude that...

Zimmerman profiled Martin... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

Or Zimmerman followed Martin... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

Or Zimmerman disregarded the dispatcher's suggestion to remain in place... so Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

After the hundredth time explaining that even if we accept those statements to be true, that alone is not dispositive of Zimmerman being guilty of murder. That's usually when the other party becomes even more incredulous and emotional. It's not worth arguing. The black community sees the case (and other aspects of American life) differently than all others, you're not going to change their mind, so why argue.

39 posted on 07/09/2013 12:23:28 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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re: So it appears the prosecution should have focused on Zimmerman’s neglecting to follow the instruction of law enforcement professionals

I don’t intend to minimize the job of 911 dispatchers and call takers, but are they considered “law enforcement professionals”? I don’t think so. The standard requirements are a high school diploma or equivalent and some on the job training, according to http://www.bls.gov/ooh/office-and-administrative-support/police-fire-and-ambulance-dispatchers.htm. Some states require certification. I am still not sure that having a certificate qualifies a dispatcher to claim that they are a law enforcement professional.


41 posted on 07/09/2013 12:24:19 PM PDT by Nevadan
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The fact remains that Trayvon chose to enter the ground near Zimmerman that his advocates claim he was defending. Someone not looking for trouble would have simply gone home. There is a price to be paid for the militance promoted in the black and gangland culture. Usually it is innocent victims who pay that price, but in this case, Trayvon paid it. As the militance escalates, more and more young black men will pay for it with their lives, on the streets and in our prisons.


44 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:45 PM PDT by pallis
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” why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?”

To keep him observation so he could point out his location when the police arrived. Try to keep up.

Nor was Trayvon fleeing in terror with Zim trying to run him down as the left portrays it.

From the transcrips with the police dispatcher:

Zim,”Now he is just staring at me”

Zim, “Yeah, Now he is coming towards me”

Zim, He has got his hand in his waistband and he is coming to check me out.

This shows that Trayvon was not intimidated at all by Zim observing him. On the contrary, he was trying to intimidate and stare down Zim and only ran away when he realized that Zim was talking on his phone probably calling the police and Trayvon was probably carrying reefer.

Nor did Zim try to run him down as he was carrying on an extended conversation with the dispatcher after Trayvon took off.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Considering that T was taller with a longer stride, played HS football, and Zim was on the phone with the dispatcher as he followed him, it is absurd to think Zim could have run him down.

Trayvon made it hid dads apt, stashed his weed and returned to attack the “Creepy Ass Cracker” who had disrespected him.


45 posted on 07/09/2013 12:27:54 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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Two Americas, now. A house divided against itself cannot stand....


47 posted on 07/09/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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If one wants to understand the pathology that infects virtually every innercity in America one need not look further than the lack of intellectual rigor in this article. If you want to know why Detroit is bankrupt, if you want to know why Chicago has become a slaughterhouse, if you want to know why 96% of African-Americans voted for Barack Obama and consistently vote for Democrats, here is your answer in microcosm.

The argumentation in the article is beyond amateurish, it is absurd. A whole section of American society lives in a dream world in which book learning is demeaned, logic is disregarded, science and the scientific method are unknown.


50 posted on 07/09/2013 12:34:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Riots are Comming!!!!

53 posted on 07/09/2013 12:39:52 PM PDT by GraceG
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To prove guilt, the prosecution has to prove that it was NOT Zimmerman. The defense does not have to prove either way.


54 posted on 07/09/2013 12:44:00 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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For someone who has lived on that complex for three years – to be as diligent and concerned a watchman as he portrays – and not know the location he was patrolling is incredi...”

I have lived in our neighborhood for 8 years, and I can’t recall any of the (stupid) street names near by we have.....sunflower., morning glory......?????

(who thinks of these names anyway.........??????)
(sarc)


55 posted on 07/09/2013 12:46:43 PM PDT by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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why did Zimmerman leave his car in the first place to go after his son?

He didn't. He left his car to go look at a house number.

58 posted on 07/09/2013 12:51:24 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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I don’t want to denigrate a group of people, but if you don’t known you can’t do what Trayvon did simply because a person didn’t stay in their car, you really do need to sit down before you hurt yourself.

Zimmerman got out of the car. He deserved it. It wouldn’t have happened if he would have stayed in his car.

This is actually rational to some people. No wonder they don’t think it’s wrong to pound someone’s head into the cement. Evidently this whole group has had their head pounded into the cement.

Isn’t it obvious?


59 posted on 07/09/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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An operator for 911 is not a “law enforcement professional.”
Esp. give some of the crap we’ve heard from them on recorded calls.


63 posted on 07/09/2013 12:56:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Zimmerman broke no laws. You can walk any public street you want and follow anyone you want without contact. Thug initiated contact.


67 posted on 07/09/2013 12:59:29 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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