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To: BroJoeK

“I am certain you already know that secessionists in Deep South states committed many acts of ever-increasing rebellion, insurrection, “domestic violence” and war against the United States in the exactly six-months between Lincoln’s election on November 6, 1860 and the Confederacy’s formal declaration of war on the United States, May 6, 1861.”

Unlike well-mannered Trayvon model John Brown, eh? Gunrunning into the South was perfectly legal.

“These included forceful seizures of dozens of Federal properties”

You mean properties that the South had served for, paid for, maintained and protected for decades?

“Bottom line: there is no possible question of “the South seceding peacefully”

Well, sure. The aggressor always states there was no alternative. They were forced to invade the south because the South wanted to leave! How dare they!

The cause of the South is very clear. They wanted to leave the Union the same way they came.

“because they refused to go peacefully.”

They were never allowed to go peacefully.


129 posted on 07/06/2013 4:34:18 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
You mean properties that the South had served for, paid for, maintained and protected for decades?

Perhaps, but none that they had any legal claim to.

133 posted on 07/06/2013 4:40:28 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: JCBreckenridge
JCBreckenridge: "Unlike well-mannered Trayvon model John Brown, eh? Gunrunning into the South was perfectly legal."

But John Brown was a private citizen who was captured by the Federal Government (Col. Robert E. Lee commanding) tried and hanged for treason.

So how many Confederate leaders were treated with equal justice?

JCBreckenridge: "You mean properties that the South had served for, paid for, maintained and protected for decades?"

In fact, "The South" had "paid for" none of those properties, and instead Southerners were paid for every bit of work they performed there.
So they had no more legal claim to own Federal properties than, say, janitors have to school-houses they clean up.

JCBreckenridge: "Well, sure. The aggressor always states there was no alternative.
They were forced to invade the south because the South wanted to leave! How dare they!"

That's false, and you well know it.
In fact, there was no invasion of "the South" until after the Confederacy provoked, started and formally declared war on the United States.

It is a simple fact that when you declare and make war on the United States, the results will not be good for you, FRiend.
So you truly need to find some other way to achieve whatever it is you think you must have.

JCBreckenridge: "The cause of the South is very clear. They wanted to leave the Union the same way they came."

Absolutely false, again, since most Confederate states only joined the Union after Congress approved their applications.
But not one ever wanted to leave the same way.

JCBreckenridge: "They were never allowed to go peacefully."

Totally false, since after secession there was no war -- zero, zip, nada -- until the Confederacy provoked, started and formally declared war on the United States.

167 posted on 07/06/2013 6:23:38 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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