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The Whittaker Chambers Haters (Book Review)
Real Clear Books ^ | June 13, 2013 | By Mark Judge

Posted on 07/01/2013 6:04:30 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

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To: blam

Alcohol surely fueled some of his behavior.

“Most of his accusations were spot on.”

Do you want to include his repeated accusations against George Marshall in that list?

McCarthy didn’t develop new information, he used what was learned during the testimony of Chambers and Bentley. If he had stuck to the facts he would not have gotten himself into trouble.


41 posted on 07/01/2013 8:58:22 PM PDT by Pelham (Deportation is the law. When it's not enforced you get California)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
For people wondering how long libs have controlled the dialogue and dominated the political talk, they were just as huge an influence back in those days as they are now. All I heard and read about Joe McCarthy when I was growing up in the fifties and sixties was that he was some kind of devil and the worst ogre to ever inhabit a senate seat. NOBODY!!! ever said one kind word about him. McCarthy, the evil spawn of satan, was responsible for thousands of innocent people to lose their jobs and establish "a climate of fear" (a phrase I heard countless times in those days) over the country.

Not one journalist mentioned that McCarthy was generally right, and there were in fact many commies in the government. That's how huge the influence lib "journalists" had even in those days. The Hollywood Ten (who are linked with McCarthy...even though he had nothing to do with them) are revered as saints even though they were mostly commie pigs under orders from Russia.

42 posted on 07/01/2013 8:59:49 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Pelham

“I wonder how many at FR have read Whitaker Chamber’s ‘Witness’, one of the great books from the cold war?”

I have.

Standout passage for me: Alger Hiss, on his first day testifying before the House, saying the proceedings were taking longer than he thought, and that he needed to call THE HARVARD CLUB to say he would be late.

Oh, by any chance, did you go to HARVARD, Mr. Hiss?! You’re awesome!

How I loathe all things Harvard.


43 posted on 07/01/2013 9:08:08 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: rlmorel
Good God. I suppose there are some Stalinists out there who still cling to the innocence of Alger Hiss, and they also believe the Rosenbergs were innocent too.

For example, Supreme Court Justice Kagan. She is the child of a family famous in NYC Communist circles. Her brother was chairman of the CPUSA. Hiss and the Rosenbergs are still saints.

44 posted on 07/01/2013 9:21:26 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Pelham

I read it, and the Allan Weinstein book.


45 posted on 07/01/2013 10:03:57 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: rlmorel
I thought that was what I said. Chambers was believed because he was an authentic defector. Hiss wasn't believed because he kept inventing implausible alibis.

A few years ago I read the biography “Whittaker Chambers” by Sam Tanenhaus. Tanenhaus is listed as “writer at large” for the New York Times. I assume he is a liberal. But I thought his book was very objective and leaves no doubt that all of Chambers revelations were true. Tanenhaus won the Pulitzer Prize for non-fiction.

46 posted on 07/01/2013 10:05:57 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Pelham

He was a hero. Our government was riddled with Soviet agents, and nobody gave a damn.

He was the only one of a very few who stood up and put himself on the line. I don’t buy the liberal line that McCarthy did it for himself and only his own gain. He took on the powers at the time who all wanted to ignore it because it was inconvenient and impolitic.

It is a liberal smear, put forth by the same media that did a 24x7 effort for nearly four solid years without relief to discredit him.

As for Marshall, it depends on what you mean by a communist “dupe”. Marshall was an intelligent guy, and some of the things he advocated in both war and peace make me wonder why he proposed and supported them. To be kind, I would say Marshall was a liberal dupe.


47 posted on 07/02/2013 3:16:40 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I must have misunderstood your post...when I read "...Chambers stood at FDR's desk and told him Hiss wan an agent..." I thought you meant FDR and Chambers were speaking directly.

I knew what you meant, though. It was a telling conversation.

48 posted on 07/02/2013 3:18:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: sauropod

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49 posted on 07/02/2013 3:23:26 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Kenny Bunk

Kagan and Sotomayor. We have had some bad characters on the court before, but those two will prove to be the worst, mark my words.


50 posted on 07/02/2013 3:24:16 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: bonfire

Heh, I don’t think so. I had it on my Freep page as well as my personal home page when his grandson contacted me. I immediately removed it from my Freep page, but as I said above, I had a hard time getting it off of my home page.


51 posted on 07/02/2013 3:27:06 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: bonfire
There were two quotes that had a real impact on me:

For in this century, within the next decades, will be decided for generations whether all mankind is to become Communist, whether the whole world is to become free, or whether, in the struggle, civilization as we know it is to be completely destroyed or completely changed. This quote has always seemed Churchillian to me, so evocative of his Finest Hour speech...)

"Communists are that part of mankind which has recovered the power to live or die–to bear witness–for its faith. . . . The communist vision is the vision of Man without God. It is the vision of man’s mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world. It is the vision of man’s liberated mind, by the sole force of its rational intelligence, redirecting man’s destiny and reorganizing man’s life and the world" That defines in a nutshell why communism (and liberalism) are evil.

52 posted on 07/02/2013 3:45:59 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: rlmorel
If you get a chance, I found an interesting discussion on FDR's cover-up of Soviet spies at high levels of the government.

http://www.dcdave.com/article4/060129.htm

53 posted on 07/02/2013 4:22:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

I think I’ll read Witness when I fnish what I am currently reading. I am familiar with Chamber’s story, but it sounds like the book is great writing as well.


54 posted on 07/02/2013 4:29:19 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Agree about Witness.

A fascinating book about one man who stood up and faced down a enemy of Goliath proportions out to destroy him.

Whittaker Chambers exposed just the extent of the Soviet infiltration of DC in the the 1930s. By the time of the trials in 1949-50, the infiltration was much worse.

And it was real, and it was damaging to this country.

History has shown Chambers,Nixon and McCarthy—all hated by the Left—to have been right.


55 posted on 07/02/2013 4:40:40 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: bonfire

Reading this thread, I see I really need to read Witness.

The line so perfectly sums up some Liberals I interact with that it is incredible.


56 posted on 07/03/2013 1:00:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rlmorel

Yep, he knows the left from the inside...


57 posted on 07/05/2013 4:42:50 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: blam

There’s not going to be a revolution, and wishing for one is counterproductive. It’s going to be a tough slog. There is no magic pill.


58 posted on 07/05/2013 4:51:12 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Everyone should read Witness, by Whittaker Chambers. Everyone

Bump. That was the one book that was, politically speaking, the centerpiece of a great puzzle. It put everything together with continuity, at least for me it did. For the political junkies, it is indeed a must read.

59 posted on 11/02/2013 8:43:36 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Obama is a proven liar.)
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