One day a so-called "conservative" supporter of Snowden will take a step back and rationally examine what Snowden has done.
But, as usual, that day is not today.
You mean George W. Bush has actually criticized 0blabla's Commie-fascist policies ONCE in FIVE years??
Snowden exposed the trashing of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. Do you support this?
>>One day a so-called “conservative” supporter of Snowden will take a step back and rationally examine what Snowden has done.
The US Government stopped being “for the people” quite a few years ago. It does not provide security, promote liberty, and is even trying to destroy happiness. The “War on Terror” is a fraud because the government won’t even name the enemy! The rest of the world doesn’t care what we say or do because we have no credibility.
Try to live up to your handle and wake up! This isn’t 1950 and the government is at war with the people of the United States.
As far as I can tell the only people who didn’t know the US Govt was doing this was the American people.
The democrats knew it. The republicans knew it.
The chinese and russians already knew it.
So what damage did he really do to national security by telling the american public what their govt is doing?
It sure isn't. But you are on the mark about Snowden.
I disagree. IMO, The Obama administration has brought this down on itself. It needed to be exposed. Yes, we may suffer, but the responsibility lies with the fascists committing the original crimes against the Constitution.
But, as regards damaging our security, that’s ironic in a sad way. Clinton SOLD state secrets for cash, Obama is giving them away for the purpose of damaging this country; he is deliberately emasculating our security services and our military. The only thing he is strengthening is domestic agencies to clamp down on AMERICANS. Snowden’s damage to our security is miniscule compared to what Obama and his crew of America haters is doing continually.
Why don't YOU?? In detail.
And while you're at it, please explain why the 4A no longer applies, 2A is being targeted by Congress, the 1A is being kneecapped, Amnesty is being shoved down our throats as is "Gay" Marriage.
Thanks.
Nobody is actually reading any articles about Snowden, they just read headlines (and maybe the odd clueless ranting blogger) and go on rants.
And people are basically studiously ignoring that it's now apparent that most of what Snowden took deals with NSA spying on foreigners. To acknowledge that would destroy their hero-worship.
Do you support the collection of the communications of every American in violation of the Fourth Amendment?????
If you and folks like our former president do, then there’s something wrong here????
Secrets have been revealed and there is a national security aspsect to that but getting back to the question.
If the Republican Party insiders support the scanning and collection of all Americans communications then there’s more fuel being added to the fire that may create a third party.
It was George W. Bush that said “Islam is a religion of peace” and its because of that attitude that everybody has to have their bodies scanned and searched in airports and now our communications are being scanned as well.
In Israel this is done to the appropriate groups of people from where the threat is coming.
If the Bush people out there will not respond to this outrageous violation of Consitutional rights from all the information collection by the NSA by opposing it, watch out.
The exodus from the GOP will only be enlarged by it.
I am NOT a supporter of Snowden...but I find it laughable that there is relatively NO FOCUS on the behavior Snowden exposed....which is basically giving Obama a pass.
I guaran-DAMN-tee you that if Snowden were exposing Bush-era behavior, (that is, if BUSH were in office), the FOCUS would not be on Snowden’s misdeeds, but on Bush’s alleged misdeeds.
Obama is doing worse than Bush did in regards to privacy of Americans, and relatively NO ONE in the media or in the government is shining a spotlight on that fact.
For what it’s worth, the opinion of “white hat” hacker, th3j35t3r: http://jesterscourt.cc/2013/06/26/so-about-this-snowden-affair/
One day a so-called "conservative" supporter of Snowden will take a step back and rationally examine what Snowden has done.
But, as usual, that day is not today.
Okay, let's make it today.
1. The NSA program of domestic surveillance does not appear to be authorized by any law passed by Congress.
2. It does not seem that the federal courts have authorized such domestic surveillance, either.
3. According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the program does not comply with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and was found by the Justice Department to violate criminal laws.
4. The 4th Amendment to the Constitution states, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
5. Telephone communication is a standard and widely-used means of communication in the United States.
6. Wide seizure of records regarding such communication is taking place by the federal government without any regard whatsoever to whether there is probable cause for the government to seize such records in regard to any specific individual.
7. The possession of such records gives the government vast power to know many things about specific individuals, including who they associate with, how often they speak to them and for how long, and a very good deal about what their personal movements and locations are during pretty much any specific period of time.
8. This surveillance has been conducted routinely upon virtually all American citizens completely without their knowledge, and completely without their permission.
9. The government has not even demonstrated any significant benefit to the American people of this program of pervasive spying on the American public, or any specific damage caused by American citizens knowing about it.
10. Recourse exists for the government to spy on specific individuals suspected of crime or terrorism.
11. Vast potential exists for governmental abuse of this information.
12. The existing administration has already abused its power by using federal power, including Department of Justice spying on reporters and IRS targeting of groups perceived as the President's political enemies.
As far as I can see, Edward Snowden has done one thing and one thing only: He has informed the American public that the federal government is ILLEGALLY SPYING ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
I’ve read some of your other comments. Obviously, I don’t condone giving information to the Russians or the Chinese.
As for revealing the NSA domestic spying program, though, I consider that a service.
I’ve been a lurker for a while and I have seen the herd mentality chase the headline of the day.
Eventually the truth becomes undeniable and then they all start backtracking.
Just give it time and weather out the slings and arrow.
I dunno how I truly feel about Snowden. If he hands over info to the Ruskies or the Chi-coms, that in my book would be a traitors act.
So far, what I know now is liberating, provides validity and solidifies my resolve.
For informing law abiding American citizens that they are being scrutinized, spied on and hacked...I thank him.
I for one am NOT willing to give up liberty for security.
LOL, what, exactly, are you intending to “conserve?”
The OP is absolutely right that the precedent for this was set with The Patriot Act which had bipartisan support under the previous administration. Isn't it remarkable how "bipartisan" all sides become when it comes to matters of expanding state power at the expense of liberty and privacy.
People who deserve to be dismissed as "so-called conservatives" aren't the enemies of the surveillance state. It is the advocates of Big Brother such as yourself, those who prefer promises of "security" to liberty.
Um...rright, Snowden is evil for having exposed the un-Constitutional police state spying upon U.S. citizens.
Bad to have exposed the lawless and illegal behavior of the wannabe dictator in chief.
And in other news, Bush proves himself still the idiot he long behaved as. Earning the dislike of both sides of the political spectrum.
I concur. Snowden is a serious traitor. How did FR come to be populated by antiAmerican supporters of a traitor so easily.
? Snowden is no Pollard trying to help an ally. He is trading classified info to harm this country with almost any nation in the world at the same time trying to save his own skin. Where does he go next if he cannot reach Venezuela ? Why are the so-called, self-named conservatives supporting him so inclined to support a traitor ? Is it just because of Obama, or are they inherently untrustworthy individuals who like to write on the Internet because their lives are unbalanced spiritually, emotionally, or otherwise ? I think most of them are libertarians and they hate the US govt so much they cheer other nations against us, even in war. It is the same posture liberal radicals take. t
There are interesting parallels among radicals and how quickly they can form alliances from diverse political groups