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Sorry, but my fiance and I were just wondering the same thing. While I am in no way trying to detract from the weight of this event, I do find it strange that the s'posed last ditch protection device didn't protect in one instance here. Seems a brush fire that was moving faster would, in theory, pass over quicker. That said, and I can't stress this enough, my knowledge on this subject is very limited.

But it seems at best these fire resistant (proof?) "tents" may be providing false security to some folks who deserve better.

My condolences to the families and associates. d:^)

9 posted on 07/01/2013 8:50:26 AM PDT by CopperTop
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To: CopperTop

There’s a reason why it’s the last ditch protection device. It’s only used in a situation where the person is almost certainly going to die anyway, there’s a very slim chance of the fire passing the zone fast enough for the shelter to accomplish anything. It’ll will protect them from being in the center of the fire for a few minutes tops, if the fire hangs out in their area too long, or burns too hot forget it. It’s a slim chance off survival device used in situations with no chance of survival.


19 posted on 07/01/2013 9:11:22 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: CopperTop

Shake and bakes are a last ditch effort. They do not always work, but most times they do. But with Az scrubby tree brush and a sudden wind shift they can cause a whole lot more heat for a whole lot longer than you can possible build for. If you are downwind of a fire that is starved for fuel, the incomplete combustion causes a massive spike in Carbon Monoxide.

A shake and bake is an insulated heat reflector, not and air supply system. With a grass fire it is possible to scrape all fuel away from a spot, deploy the tent and see if your will is strong enough to stay in the tent as the heat rises. If it is a flash fire, you will make it. But a wind shift with high winds can cause a fire storm that nothing can survive.


29 posted on 07/01/2013 9:46:02 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: CopperTop

I don’t think there is much false sense of security with something that is explicitly a last-ditch device. Even if there is, so what? Personally, I’d rather die with a false sense of hope than no hope.

They do the same thing on airlines, telling people “in case of a water landing, your seat cushion can be used as a floatation device”. Nobody has ever landed a jumbo jet on the water without it disintegrating, so nobody will ever get the chance to drown, much less use a floatation device. But if it gives people some hope, and keeps them from panicking, what is the harm?


40 posted on 07/01/2013 10:35:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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