Posted on 07/01/2013 5:17:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
Today, July 1st, is DAY #16 (of 4th week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.
Last week the prosecution feebly presented the first series of witnesses against George Zimmerman. However, as most observers would note, the witnesses called by the state have so far been more beneficial for the Zimmerman Self-Defense position.
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Nope, do not see any of your service background there. You should post more than just your interest in this case.
Post your military service outline details, where you served, etc. It does matter, and might help other Freepers figure out where you are “coming from”.
But, it is your call, and really none of my business. You post what feels o.k. to you. I know about the rules, and do not want you to violate any of them.
The dispatcher doesn't have the authority to command him anyway.
I can really do without the taking the LORD’s name in vain, thank you.
>> If you don’t get it..start listening to actual lawyers..
I’ll ask you again: who ARE these lawyers I should start listening to? Where exactly are you finding them? How many are there?
By the way, IIRC P-Marlowe is an “actual lawyer”.
Go to a ghetto dictionary on line and type in “creepy ass cracker “
I just put a little more info there.
Then you should ask P Marlowe about self defense and how you lose that right in Florida if you provoke the confrontation.
If it happened to me, with the benefit of hindsight, I might presume that the other person is attempting to demonstrate his dominance and trying to 'mark his territory':
The Territorial Imperative: A Personal Inquiry Into the Animals Origins of Property and Nations
by Robert Ardrey
http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/1568361440
... in the hope that I would be intimidated and go away.
If I were a neighborhood watch officer, this would put me on high alert. I would call the police and report the individual. I would try to assist the police in getting them to the scene as soon as reasonably possible by identifying the location. If I did not know the location, then I would consider it within my rights to get out of my car to try to find a street sign identifying the location.
T walking around the car is very suspicious but does not imply an imminent threat, though it does tend to indicate an attitude of belligerence.
I probably would have called 911 if the person seemed capable of overcoming me physically and had tapped on my car or tried to open it. I also would have called 911 if the person had made any belligerent verbal threats to me.
Admittedly this is a fine line, and I think there is some leeway on either side as to what the most appropriate thing to do would be. There is not always one right answer for what to do for every possible situation. In particular, if I were female with a relatively small physique, I would probably have felt more threatened and I would conceivably have dialed 911 immediately. However, the problem remains how to tell the police where I am. The police will require an address. If I do not provide an address, the police will not be able to locate me and arrive to help.
As I am a neighborhood watch officer, I do not at this time know all the streets in my neighborhood by heart. A part of my brain resists memorizing unneeded detail due to the rationalization that this is what street signs and maps are for. I do not think a person should be judged guilty simply because they rationalized that they would not need to be able to recall street names instantly. I do not associate guilt with having problems memorizing place names, even nearby place names. I believe anyone who does has unrealistic expectations.
Back to M, I think he was very emotionally troubled. M's father was bouncing him from home to home and had recently dumped the mother figure in his life for someone else. M might have felt a burden on his father's new girlfriend. Or M might have felt a need to overcompensate for his lack of feeling at home in the neighborhood. M might have resented his father and the rest of the world for some or all of these reasons. M might have resented his new family. It seems as if M did not have a key to the apartment. Was he aware that the girlfriend's son was not at home, so he was locked out in the rain? That would have pissed me off if I had been M. If M was under treatment for ADHD, aggression is a side effect of medical treatment for that problem. Maybe M thought Z was a threat to his masculinity and that he needed to overcompensate for that in an emotionally immature manner by circling M's car to demonstrate to Z with a show of force that M did not welcome Z in 'his' (M's) 'territory.' Etc.
PS , if HE won’t tell you..I will
If he got of his car and chased Martin and didn’t tell Martin who he was..and Martin was scared and saw a gun...it could be construed as provoking a confrontation.
And if you don’t believe me..read what the Republican WHO WROTE THE LAW had to say.
SO YES, WHY he got out of the car is VERY relevant.
And his stories conflict.
HLN did not bleep it today. I’ve heard the tape before and didn’t notice the word. Now that I know it’s there caught it on Greta. I remember the bleep but actually figured it was the F or N word
Don’t know why they’d omit Homo since its just just a shortened version of homosexual. Greta is discussing TM use of homo with parks. Martins lawyer Says TM would never call anyone a homey. Geeez
That was just replayed on Greta.
GZ clearly states he was “afraid” and “fear” was the reason he didn’t confront Martin when he was circling GZ’s car.
It’s a problem. Not a large one though.
Name one LAW GZ broke getting out of his vehicle. You have no idea what you are talking about.
“Nope, I would not sit in my car what with a firearm at my fingertips.”
Depends on the situation. I was once in downtown LA and some bad guys on foot surrounded my car. A car is a fearsome, very large caliber, projectile if you are willing to use the gas. You should have seen them scatter.
>> If this can happen to George Zimmerman (mild mannered Neighborhood Watch commander for a small Florida home development) then it can happen to any of us.
That’s one thing that scares me.
The thing that scares me even worse is how easily and seamlessly and brutally a justice machine that was intended to keep us safe from crime can be pressed into service for whatever “social justice” goal happens to be in vogue this week.
I think O’Mara can overcome all of this given the jury.
Not sure if West could, though.
Do you know ANYTHING about the self defense law in Florida????
You’re not as smart as I hoped you’d be from your tagline.
You do, however, have superb asshole skillz.
Didn't GZ say that TM was acting suspiciously. Would that make TM a suspect?
Just wondering - had never thought of the difference between suspect and subject. Thanks for the tip!
Answer the question, which LAW did GZ break exiting his vehicle? If you can’t answer, shut up.
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