The Tsarnaev Brothers and the Coming Savage Empire of Islam

PJ Lifestyle ^ | April 22, 2013 | Theodore Shoebat and Walid Shoebat

[little jeremiah]

IMHO there is a 100% likelihood of things going Very Very Bad soon with the Mozlem thing. Here.

[null and void]

Sleeping giant...

[little jeremiah]

Yes, actually I was going to mention that other important part of the equation.

Thank you for mentioning it. Cheering.

[Cronos]

Though much of the region remains Christian today, a sizable portion is Muslim, including Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania, Dagestan, and, of course, Chechnya.

That's a broad brush.

Bosnia and Herzegovina has swathes of Croatian and Serbian densities which are not Moslem

Albania proper (outside Kosovo) is Moslem in name only -- most follow what their former king Zog preached "whatever your faith, your religion is Albanianism" and the number of those calling themselves Moslem drops each census. in Albania-proper the urge has been since the 20s to distance themselves from Turks and so the rejection of Islam

In Kosovo that's a different "other" -- Christian Serbs. Remember that Serbs/Croats are Slavs while Albanians are not, so any more reason to distance themselves from "the other" is taken

In the case of Dagestan and Chechnya this is very apparent -- there were inroads of Christianity (thanks to two ancient Christian states of Georgia (Sakartvelo) and Armenia (Hayestan) - the names in the () are what they call themelves in their own languages

Anyway, Christianity moved into these north caucasian peoples and they were still heavily pagan/shamanistic until the 18th century when the Russians started moving in (more about this in the next post) and to prevent their Russification to a large extent they adopted Islam -- Sufiism. They were radicalised during the 19th century

[Cronos]

About Russification

Note that I don't subscribe to the theory of those who are still hung-up about the cold war and persist in seeing Russia as the evil empire. I believe that we have a lot more in common and should be wary allies -- and I also agree with the Russians that Sunni Islam is a danger and it's better to egg on the Shias to fight Sunnis

Anyway, back to topic :) what we call "Russification" is really "Muscofication" -- the ancient East Slavic "confederation" of Kievan Rus was not Muscowite in temperament or culture. It was more decentralized and less autocratic and it was heavily influenced by both Byzantine and Germanics through Poland while maintaining it's separate status.

But then the Mongols came and conquered and disrupted the state forever

As Mongol power waned, the north-western part of Kievan Rus came under Lithuanian control and then Polish (under the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth), the southern part was first depopulated and then came under Polish, Crimean Tatar and Cossack control with an amalgamated culture and the north-eastern portion came under Muscowite control when the Grand Duke of Moscow agreed to becoming the tax collector for the Mongol Khagan.

It is my opinion that the Muscowite tendency for autocratic rule derives from the Mongols and many Russian historians nowadays look favorably on Mongol rule and see the Russian Empire as an extension of the Mongol -- and Moscow's GRand Duke came up with the idea of "collecting of the Rus" i.e. that it was Moscow's manifest destiny to collect the Rus lands

this had an additional dimension added in when Constantinople fell. Now the Grand Dukes of Moscows called themseves Caesar's (Tsar) and took on the mantle of war against Islam and also collecting ALL the Orthodox people together. They maintained this belief until 1918 and arguably it remained even in Soviet minds (not of the Orthodox peoples but conquering Istanbul and Eastern/Central Europe)

In the meanwhile the BiałoRussians (white Russians or Belarussians) developed more "democratically" under Lithuanian rule which was hardly as strong as Moscow's and then in the highly decentralized Polish-Lithuanian state.

The Ukrainians (or Ruthenians as they initially were called -- btw "Ruthene" is the Latin version of "Rusyn" or "Russian) developed even more "democratically" as they were a frontier state -- U kraina in Slavic languages means "on the edge"

Moscow spent the 1600s battling to the east taking over vast Tatar Khaganates and then turned West to wrest the rest of the Rus lands from the "Germanics" and their "Polish subordinates". They succeeded in 1793 when Poland disappeared from the map

it was during this same period that they pushed themselves south into the Caucasus

Mid-1800s with the rise of nationalism inEurope where France attempted to destroy non-French languages (like Breton, Gascon, Corsican, etc) and the English did the same to Cornish, Manx and attempted to do the same to Gaelic, Scottish and Welsh), the Russians did the same to their extended empire.

pre-1848 to be "Russian" was to be a subject of the Tsar, so whatever your nationality was ok.

But post-1848, the focus was on Russification -- you had to speak Russian only and be Russian Orthodox.

This was the same period when other nationalities were doing the same, so the Russians were not doing something unusual, the only difference was that thanks to Russia's dismembering of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and it's conquering of the Crimean Tatars and the Caucasus it suddenly had an influx of non-Russian, non-Russian orthodox. It had Catholic Poles and Lithuanians, Calvinist/Lutheran Baltic Germans, Mennonite Volga Germans, Armenian Orthodox Armenians, Georgian Orthodox Georgians, Moslem Tatars, and loads and load of Jews (the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in 1792 had more than 60% of world Jewry) and then Finns, Eneks, etc. etc. as well as the descendents of the Alani -- the Ossetes

The only way to manage this chaos was to impose one-nation, one-god as the Ming and then the Qing had done in China

This of course exacerbated nations who wanted to be independent -- if you lose your language and your religion, you then lose your identity (see the Belarussians and many eastern Ukrainians or see the Scottish today)

The way to extract the Chechens from islam is to do the same thing that we should do to the Berbers --> show them that their identity is being swamped by Islam (which promotes "Arabization") and that the way out is to reject Islam.

I propose the way is to push the ancient Church of the East (the Assyrian Church either the Chaldean Catholic or the Assyrian Church) to convert the Chechens and preach in their own languages (the Chechens speak a few languages and the Dagestanis have over 70 I believe)

[Cronos]

Obama like his Sunni masters in Saudi Arabis opposes Iran getting nukes.

Remember that there is already "the Islamic nuclear bomb" -- it's in Pakistani hands

When Iran gets its nukes expect Pakistan (at the urging of Saudi Arabia and Qatar) to attack.

[Cronos]

to your points 2 -- Israel won't be surrounded by Moslem nutjobs unless Obama and McCain succeed in arming the Syrian Alqaeda jihadis
a. Won't happen -- the Saudis and Qataris and Emiratis as well as the Turks fear a nuclear Iran infinitely more than they want Israel wiped out
a2. a unified Middle East controlled by Iran and Saudi Arabia. -- err.. no, the Saudis HATE the Iranis. The Arabs as a whole hate and fear the Indo-European Iranis and the feeling is reciprocated. They also despise the Turks and the Turks hate the Iranis as well. Iran will expand it's Shia influence from Lebanon to Tajikistan but will be surrounded by Sunnis in the form of the Turks, Turkmen, Punjabi/Sindhi Pakis and the Arabs (Egyptians, Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis). They have NEVER unified and will never unify. Saddam called the Iranis "Persian flies" and wanted to destroy them. The Semitic-Iranic war has been continuous since 1700 BC with the Hittites taking on the Akkadians, then the Assyrians pushing back them and then the Medes followed by the Persians taking over Semitic lands, then Nejdi Arabs taking over Iran, then the Irani push back

b. Not going to happen due to point a

c. Russia won't -- Russia looks out for itself and it's aim is to get Constantinople and also to crush it's Sunni jihadi opponents in the north-Caucasus. It will support the Shias but not the Sunnis as we see in Syria. Also Russia sees Israel as a good balancing force against the Saudis, so it will not want to see it removed, for purely geo-political reasons

d. The Chinese are already investing elsewhere -- in Africa and South America. They won't sit back

e. The Dems won't win 2016 or others. What the GoP needs is either a Herman Cain or Bobby Jindal. Yes, a conservative who happens to be non-white. It may be "marketing", but its needed. "destroyed most of the Anglo-Saxons left living" -- most "white" people in the US are not Anglo-Saxon but Germanic or Scandanavian or Italic or Slavic. The "anglo-saxons" among us are heavily Democrat (think the NOrth-East)

f. perhaps

g. h, i, j Not going to happen -- but we should not be complacent
k&l not going to havppen

[Hardraade]

There is certainly a claim that Al Banna, the MB founder, had brit approval during the time he was a member of *another* secret society, sort of precursor. Also, it would be quite consistent with how the brits did things - they’d set small pots boiling all over the place. In 1948 for example, they told the arabs that “the jews were coming to throw them out”.

Also, of course, Al Banna was nazist. And in the thirties, the brits quite liked the nazists.

[ABN 505]

not me. If I walk in a store and see a muzzi behind the counter I walk right out. I refuse to do business with them.

[Diogenesis]

Instead of IMPRISONING THESE TERRORISTS after warning
from Russia and their parent ... the USA under
the Tyrant Obama continued going after the genitals
of American innocent children at airports, and taking
genital photos of adults in airports of innocent America
women, while leaving the border WIDE OPEN and then ignoring
that the Tsarnaev Brothers HAD NO PASSPORT on entering.

THESE MURDERS were PLANNED at the White House and
enabled by the DHS and the terrorists protected by
Holder (who sent a Magistrate Judge fresh from Egypt
to SHUT THEM UP).

[MestaMachine]

Besides what Hardraade has already confirmed, when the mb ws outlawed, they were allowed to INCORPORATE themselves in britain as a legitimate political group headquartered in London.
Something else few people know...bashar assad was created out of whole cloth by britain AND the USA. Right down to his optometrist status. They thought he would be easier to control than his mysteriously killed in a car wreck brother, but the Iraqis moved in on him immediately and completely shut britain and the US out.

[Excellence]

we citizens are not really allowed to do much about anything.

[redpoll]

What you write is possible, but my prediction about Israel is different from yours. The modern philosophy of “never again” does not mean that there will never be another Holocaust. Jewish history is filled with attempted genocide against the Jews. “Never again” means that the Jews will never again be docile and complicit in their own extermination. A nuclear attack on Israel would bring on retaliation which would scorch the earth of the enemy who attacks them, and that will include Mecca and Medina, followed by a mopping up operation that would be surgical and awful. Then the Jews will climb out of their shelters and rebuild Israel.

When Islam is crushed, a lot of the believers will become bewildered. Fortunately, there is a religion waiting for them in Iran called the Baha’i faith, which has a superficial resemblance to Islam but contains many modern elements which would allow them to live as civilized people with the rest of the world.

IMHO

[Oratam]

While somewhat off-topic, you seem to be the right person to ask: how did Christianity fail to make significant inroads among the Persians (modern day Iranians) even as it was embraced by many of her neighbors (notably Armenia) in the first three or four centuries after Christ?

I mean, it seems a natural, yet, they went from paganism to Islam even as Christianity was "available" to them.

[SMARTY]

I am guessing but “in the first three or four centuries after Christ”, the survival of Christianity anywhere was problematic.

[Oratam]

I am guessing but “in the first three or four centuries after Christ”, the survival of Christianity anywhere was problematic.

You are correct.

[bgill]

Coming? It’s already here.

[Kenny Bunk]

.... Mecca and Medina are targeted by Israel....

Not to worry. Both Holy Cities are protected from the Infidel by the impenetrable Shield of Allah The Almighty. In fact, I suggest that ALL Muslims report there immediately for a demo.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you very much for your replies. So many devious layers upon layers.

[Old Yeller]

What’s sickening is that the progressive left has no clue that the Muslims they are in bed with will turn on them in a heartbeat after their overturning of traditional Western values is complete. Unfortunately, that includes us as well unless we soon wake up in larger numbers.

I discovered that one of my co-workers, a Purdue graduate with an MBA, has never heard of "Allah-Ahkbar". Never heard of Sharia Law. And has never heard of Islam. She attends a Christian Church and claims to not be a liberal. She represents the vast majority of Americans who are totally clueless. This country is so skrewed.