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To: ansel12
Man, this is baffling, what are we arguing about?

You're doing the arguing. I'm trying to convince you to stop.

I thought that you were supporting allowing the government to accept gay marriage in the name of “free will” and liberty or something.

You would be incorrect in that belief.

And please don’t play that silly game of claiming to believe that government and society has no place in defining marriage, and that poof, law related to marriages will just disappear or is not the focus of this political/cultural issue.

I support the States' Right to define marriage because that is consistent with the 10th Amendment. NY and MA voted to allow same-sex marriage. So be it. I disagree with them politically and culturally. CA voted to ban same-sex marriage. I agree with them politically and culturally.

In the end, God will judge us all. In this world, I am not to judge unbelievers only other believers.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 NIV
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."

393 posted on 06/26/2013 9:55:36 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

Do what you want, but that has nothing to do with Christians and conservatives voting and legislating against your goal of gay marriage.

Jesus didn't tell me that in democratic America to lend my political activism and voting to fighting for gay marriage in the political arena, evidently you want to claim that, that is what he is telling you.

404 posted on 06/26/2013 10:19:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

What the Bible actually says is that we’re not to judge a person’s heart or motives.

.....”But he that is spiritual judgeth ‘all’ things,...yet he himself is judged of no man. ......For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?... But we have the mind of Christ” (1Cor 2:15-16).

Christians have the authority to judge people’s words and actions....or how do you know if someone is a false teacher?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 Paul says:.... “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

“To judge” means “to make a distinction” or “to separate.” We judge every day, in every aspect of life...........If you don’t exercise righteous judgment, how will you know who or what to be a partner with?

What God wants is not for us to avoid judging, but instead to judge rightly.....Luke 7:40-43.

Christians have the authority to judge people’s words and actions....or how do you know if someone is a false teacher?
The only way you can detect a metaphorical “dog” or “pig” is to judge other people’s actions...

New Testament that exhort believers to judge other people (e.g., Matt. 7:15-16; John 7:24; 1 Cor. 5:9; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Phil. 3:2; 1 John 4:1; 1 Thess. 5:21).


420 posted on 06/26/2013 11:44:52 AM PDT by caww
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