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To: BuckeyeTexan
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

Do what you want, but that has nothing to do with Christians and conservatives voting and legislating against your goal of gay marriage.

Jesus didn't tell me that in democratic America to lend my political activism and voting to fighting for gay marriage in the political arena, evidently you want to claim that, that is what he is telling you.

404 posted on 06/26/2013 10:19:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: ansel12

Those were Paul’s words not mine.

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I have stated very clearly and without equivocation that I am against same-sex marriage. I do not advocate or vote for it in word or deed.

I did not imply, intimate, stipulate, or claim - in any shape, form, or fashion - that Jesus suggested any such thing.


407 posted on 06/26/2013 10:29:08 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: ansel12; BuckeyeTexan
>> What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?
>
>Do what you want, but that has nothing to do with Christians and conservatives voting and legislating against your goal of gay marriage.

No, it has everything to do with it.
Do you think homosexual marriage would be anything other than the punchline to a bad joke if the people that called themselves Christian acted like marriage meant something? Do you think that if churches were bold in standing up for moral value-judgements, instead of cowing for the government's proclamations*?

Do you think homosexuality would even be an issue if people who claimed to be Christian loved them? I have met a total of one homosexual who wasn't intuitively obviously hurting, starving really, for love — and even then I'd bet that he was merely good at hiding it. And I don't mean this ooy-gooy buddy-Jesus crap, or the warped all-love-is-sexual crap society has bought into but real, actual love:

James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
In this sense, aren't most homosexuals spiritual orphans? And didn't Jesus come to rescue captives from the chains of sin? — Seriously, this entire issue is an indictment against the Church's [lack of] activity in the community/society. Why? Because they bought into that lie that seperation of church and state meant that the church needed to stay in its little cubical.

So; in conclusion: No, I do not believe that the solution is in the realm of government. I believe that it is in the realm of the church, though more specifically the individuals within the church, if churches would quit kowtowing to the government they might actually address them.

* I believe the stupid tax-exemption is nothing more than extortion by the government on churches.

413 posted on 06/26/2013 10:45:20 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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