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1 posted on 06/25/2013 8:28:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Gays don't care about being married.

Gays care that other people get married.

They want to destroy the institution of marriage by making it meaningless.

2 posted on 06/25/2013 8:30:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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We make laws and social policies anymore based on political correctness, and to make the officially recognized grievance groups happy.

We have to boost everyone’s self esteem. We have to boost the self esteem of the homosexual by saying he/she can marry a same sex partner.

Just look at how these issues are discussed. Anyone opposed to homosexual marriage is called a bigot and a hater. We have passed the point of no return. We’re not allowed to talk about the purpose of marriage, or the importance of mothers and fathers raising children. The only issue is that homosexuals want the legal sanction of marriage, and will steamroll all who oppose.

The liberals will try to destroy anyone who stands in the way. Whether it’s a Miss USA contestant who has the audacity to oppose homosexual marriage, or a fast food restaurant owner who personally opposes same, the liberals set out to destroy such opponents. We can’t debate the issue, instead, opponents must be destroyed.

Speaking of Chick Fill A, how many lawsuits were ever filed against Chick Fill A for discrimination by the gay activists? Zero? See, Chick Fill A does not discriminate, and the activists could not find a single homosexual who was discriminated against by that company. You know that the activists were digging deeply to find someone who could claim discrimination, but they never found anyone.


5 posted on 06/25/2013 8:40:22 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Fr. Vandenberg

I believe that this was our former Parish priest at St. Vincent de Paul Church in Federal Way, WA. He retired several years ago. Had a wonderful sense of humor.

7 posted on 06/25/2013 8:53:40 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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While today brings us good SCOTUS news something tells me Kennedy will swing a 5-4 on gay rights.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 9:01:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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what’s wrogn with it is that marriage is an institution that was foisted away fro m the church by the govenrment and turned into a money makign scheme in which heterosexual peopel are given govenrment money and incentives to reproduce children to produce future generatiosn of taxpayers to help support future govenrments-

marriage is NOT a right- whether heterosexual or gay- marriage is a privilege, not a right- A man is barred from marryign his sister, hism other, his aunt- he is barred fro mmarryign several women at once, he is barred from marrying his dog etc etc etc-

Gay marriage does NOT produce offspring naturally, nor is it conducive to a healthy normal upbringing of a chikld who NEEDS botrh female and male influences in their life for the greatest possible chjance at normalcy-

The govenrment is supopsoed to care abotu children, NOT allow perverts to have unfettered access to them by grantign htem a ‘right’ to adopt and raise children- (not all gay peopel are perverts- but many of them are- a far higher percentage of gay peopel have multiple sex partners and MANY of them identify as havign had committed pedophilic assaults on children at soem point in their lives)

Yiou woudl think a govenrment woudl want to protect chuildren as best it could, but instead, what we see is our govenrment forcign kids to be raised in notoriously dangerous situations, and under circumsdtances which bvery often prove to be detrimental to the emotional and physical well beign of kids- Apparently our gobvenrment is now doign everythign it can to make sure they create an evironment conducive to sexual predation by gay folks- NJ even goign so far as to ban parents from seekign ‘restorative therapy’ for a kid they suspect is gay-

this ocuntry is rapidly becomign a sewer pit


10 posted on 06/25/2013 9:07:15 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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We will never win this debate on religious grounds. Instead, we must make people answer the question “What is the societal purpose of marriage?”

The answer is, of course, to create children that have the best possible chance of success in that society.

This answer explains why we don’t let adult siblings marry, or those deemed mentally incompetent. It’s also the reason behind historical polygamy.

We started winning the abortion debate when we moved from “God says it’s wrong” to “It’s murdering babies.” Same thing with gay marriage.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 9:41:49 AM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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God invented marriage, not man. God designated marriage, not as a contractual agreement, but as a covenant. Governments may be able to regulate contracts, but a covenant is based on the laws of God and not man. Thus marriage is an institution outside of the bounds of government.

Government was happy to intrude into the marriage because when we gave tax exemptions based on marital status, or when we taxed a person’s estate upon their death, or when the State stepped in to direct the disposition of an estate, or when we used the State to enforce marital fidelity or grant divorces, we had to allow the State to define who was “married” and who was not.

As with all things Statist, the secular State’s definition of marriage and divorce has come to have more weight in society than God’s definition.

God defines marriage as being between men and women. While many men whom God called righteous in the Bible practiced polygamy, Jesus is quoted in Matthew chapter 19 that from the beginning of humanity, it was God’s intent that marriage would only be one man and one woman. In Mark chapter 10, Jesus stated that God, not man, joins the husband and wife and the two are “one flesh”, an act that by its very nature is only heterosexual.

God defines sexual relations between people of the same sex as against His law, that is immoral. In Revelation 22:15, a book dictated to John by Jesus, God tells us that anyone who practices sexual immorality will not be granted eternal life.

These are ecclesiastical considerations that are outside of secular government, that is unless we want government to police sexual behavior between consenting adults based on the standards of the Bible, assuming we can agree what those are. Do we want Congress to have that debate?

Maybe it is time to get government out of the marriage business and to return it to the private sphere. The problem for me today is that people who want to call themselves “married” against God’s law (as I read it) are willing to use the State to force me to recognize that marriage, which I cannot do. The want to have the State’s public education system indoctrinate my children that homosexual marriage is “normal”. They want to force me to subsidize the homosexual marriage in the tax code just like the godly marriage is subsidized, and they will use state agencies to punish me for “discrimination” if I decline to accept their status in any way.

If the State must force me to acknowledge its power to declare two men to be “married”, then I must support efforts to remove that power from the State. If people who don’t want God defining their personal morality demand a separation of church and State then let us also have separation of marriage and State as well. If those people don’t want any displays of the Ten Commandments in government buildings, they cannot hide behind the Commandments that protect marriage when it comes marriage that God cannot sanction.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 10:05:41 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Even when legalized, gay marriage is still pretend marriage, and nothing will change that. Gay couples are pretending to be married to claim some normalcy and legitimacy for their relationship, but that will never happen. They will get all the complications of marriage, but none of the reward heterosexual couples have. Nothing, not language, not popular culture, not marriage will ever make homosexuality anything but sexual perversion.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 10:36:15 AM PDT by pallis
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