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Is Rand Paul’s Love of Ayn Rand a ‘Conspiracy’? (Chait: Why Ayn Rand is Evil)
New York Magazine ^ | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 06/20/2013 12:48:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Trailerpark Badass

I actually enjoyed her novels.


101 posted on 06/20/2013 3:18:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: warchild9
And I doubt anyone on this forum has plodded more than ten pages into any of her awful writing.

Read all the way through The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Skimmed Anthem. I've read The Virtue of Selfishness, , and other works. I don't agree with everything Rand has to say, but I do agree with much of it, especially on capitalism and markets.

102 posted on 06/20/2013 3:21:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: warchild9

Hey, it got him Cindy Sheehan, and who wouldn’t want that? (Well, almost everyone, but that’s besides the point)


103 posted on 06/20/2013 3:22:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Think you are the only one here with a few Degrees under your belt? I’ve also read Satre, Keirkegaard, Orwell, etc...

I don’t read Rand for the gripping plots and character development. Objectivism is easy to explain, but sometimes needs a bit of plain illustration to show how the archetypes in her stories fit into reality.

And fit they do. Especially in todays political climate.


104 posted on 06/20/2013 3:22:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: warchild9

I’ve read Hayek, Rothbard (not my favorite), and Mises. My alma mater has Dr. Mises’s library.

Now, run to your search engine and search on “Mises” so you’re up to speed.


105 posted on 06/20/2013 3:24:51 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: warchild9
Do a little reading up off the right-wing-o-sphere.

I live in Massachusetts. I discovered Ayn Rand in college in the late 1960s, when everybody else was joining SDS.

My ex-girlfriend (before my beloved last one who died in January) was a liberal college professor in Cambridge, MA, and so were all of her friends and relatives to whom I was regularly exposed.

I have been listening to people off the "right-wing-o-sphere" my whole adult life.

You are right that I will learn nothing from you and your very bizarre, utterly ignorant and pointless rantings.

106 posted on 06/20/2013 3:28:42 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: donmeaker
A morality that could not be measured, could not be judged by man, could not be supported by reason, didn’t work for her.

Others look at religious teachings as good teachings. It is bad to lie, steal and murder, so any G-d that tells you to not lie, steal or murder should be on the same side as the moral people.

You might find this interesting. It's by a high school classmate of mine.

http://www.amazon.com/An-Atheist-Defends-Religion-Humanity/dp/1592578543

107 posted on 06/20/2013 3:28:55 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: mjp

Brilliant. Thank you.


108 posted on 06/20/2013 3:32:30 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
I actually enjoyed her novels.

I tried.

Overwrought characters, cliched dialogue, and over the top melodrama aren't my things.

Maybe it's because English wasn't her native tongue, but that didn't seem to bother Joseph Conrad.

Anyway, I think it's unwise to adopt any one person's philosophy as a whole, but she obviously did have keen insight into the conflict between those who wish to be free and those who wish to control.

It's just my opinion that she did not express those insights in a very artful way.

Many disagree, apparently. ;0)

109 posted on 06/20/2013 3:32:58 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Maceman

“Pointless” is the key word.

I was trolling, unsuccessfully for worthy opponents.


110 posted on 06/20/2013 3:33:19 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
It’s like Limbaugh; he’s an execrable person. The Viagra incident alone casts doubt on his every word.

Just a stupid and offensive statement. You must be a "progressive."

111 posted on 06/20/2013 3:34:02 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

I’ve pretty much read your list there, plus all her essays.

Ideas aside, it was tortuous.


112 posted on 06/20/2013 3:34:31 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: re_nortex

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for me.

For information about her racism and eugenics’ sympathies, I directed another Freeper to her unedited letters.

She’s an extremely nasty character in her letters.


113 posted on 06/20/2013 3:37:10 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: TBP

I was forced to read Ludwig von in school.

And, yes, that’s a Clockwork Orange/Mises reference.

Too much for you?


114 posted on 06/20/2013 3:38:53 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: TBP

The FBI file on the incident is public record. I’ve seen it, with the mug shot and a photograph of the pills in question.

You must be an unthinking Limbot. I know cognitive dissonance is a harsh creature.


115 posted on 06/20/2013 3:40:27 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9

Whatev.


116 posted on 06/20/2013 3:45:03 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Think you are the only one here with a few Degrees under your belt?

Of course not; that mention was made only to clarify my objection: that as fiction novels, her major works just aren't very good.

Life is too short to read stuff you don't like.

117 posted on 06/20/2013 3:46:02 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: warchild9
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for me.

You're welcome although I have no particular dog in this fight. It's been shown, through the years, that FReepers can be feisty as well as the smartest people on the whole world wide web and points beyond. ::-)

That's why my posting contained some cautionary notes about the veracity of the quotes attributed to her. If it turns out that Ayn Rand was indeed an abortionist, it doesn't necessarily undo her wisdom on free markets and individual initiative. But, at least for me, I certainly can't hold her character in high regard.

118 posted on 06/20/2013 3:47:58 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: nickcarraway

I belive Ayn was a product of her environment. She learned to fight socialism on the same brutal terms that it sought to subjugate her.


119 posted on 06/20/2013 3:50:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: TBP

I enjoyed “We the Living”. Depressing and sad, but a good quick read.


120 posted on 06/20/2013 4:34:48 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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