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'Gang of Eight' Members Angry with Rubio Over Border Security Amendments?
Townhall ^ | 06/15/2013 | Guy Benson

Posted on 06/15/2013 9:56:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind


What to make of this?  I'll raise a few theories below, but here's the Washington Post's Greg Sargent on supposed internal conflict within the 'Gang of Eight:'

Republican and Democratic senators in the “gang of eight” immigration reform group gave Marco Rubio an earful at a private meeting this week, telling him they were frustrated with his public embrace of overly conservative border security measures and his failure to adequately communicate with them over strategy, which they said was putting reform at risk, I’m told. The details of the private meeting on Wednesday – which were shared with me by a source familiar with the episode — shed new light on the delicate behind the scenes strategic calculations the gang of eight is making as it seeks to navigate its proposal past conservative opposition through the Senate. The meeting hints at the true nature of the collective kabuki that the gang of eight is engaged in as it seeks to create just enough space to the right for Republicans to embrace the bill — without moving it so far to the right that it alienates Democrats. Publicly, Senators have mostly remained mum as Rubio has flirted with conservative demands for more border security. But in the private meeting, Republican and Democratic senators in the gang of eight expressed “frustration” with Rubio over the manner in which he publicly embraced the John Cornyn amendment, which mandates hard border security “triggers” as a precondition for citizenship in a manner Dems find unacceptable, the source tells me...As feared, uncommitted Republican Senators are beginning to clamber aboard the Cornyn “hard trigger” express.


Like Allahpundit, I'm deeply skeptical that Rubio has actually run afoul of fellow 'gang' members by endorsing John Cornyn's stricter border enforcement provisions, which Rubio reportedly helped draft in private -- though Cornyn's office disputes that claim.  Sargent is right to confine "hard trigger" to quotation marks because although that amendment is an improvement over the bill's status quo, the notion that it's a draconian non-starter for Democrats is absurd.  I heard initial buzz from sources close to the gang of eight's inner workings that Chuck Schumer was prepared to accept Cornyn's plan.  I openly wondered why on earth the New York Senator wouldn't at least feign initial opposition to the proposal, only to "cave" later and give conservatives a "win."  That's how this sort of kabuki works.  Sure enough, within a day or two, Harry Reid was tearing into the Cornyn amendment as a "poison pill," or whatever.  John McCain and Lindsey Graham have used similar language, surprising nobody.  (Again, go back and read what Cornyn has proposed.  It's not even remotely "harsh" or unreasonable).  I presumed this was all pure theater, but then Rubio pivoted to co-authoring yet another amendment with Tom Coburn, which will almost certainly water down the already watered-down Cornyn enforcement package.  Remember, the only plan that would have required genuine security triggers before the government grants provisional legalization to millions died on the Senate floor last week. 

The Rubio/Coburn development has me rethinking some previous assumptions.  Maybe the Left flank really doesn't intend to eventually relent on the Cornyn amendment.  Maybe the kabuki is actually happening on the Right, where conservatives are offering up stronger enforcement paradigms to assuage the base, knowing full well that the Senate will never adopt anything that even approaches a serious improvement.  And perhaps the Left is getting a little greedy.  They might have concluded that (a) Republicans like McCain and Graham are giving them sufficient political cover to reject any idea that treads beyond illusory baby steps, and (b) Rubio's become too invested in the outcome to walk away now.  They might be right on both counts.  In any case, all of this maneuvering on behalf of "amnesty" must be corroding Rubio's standing among Republicans nationally, right?  Wrong:




Rubio clocks in at a whopping +47 favorable rating among Republicans, second only to Mitt Romney's running mate and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan -- who also happens to support a big bipartisan compromise on immigration reform.  Be sure to note Chris Christie's numbers; he's at the bottom of that pile, but still registers a healthy +28 favorability mark among Republicans.  Among all adults, including Republicans, Democrats and Independents, guess who sails to the front of the class?  That's why I suspect AP is right when it comes to Rubio's potential for rehabilitation among those who are currently livid at him for basically spearheading the Gang of Eight effort:

If he hangs in there and the bill passes, he’ll get all sorts of media love as the “new leader of the GOP,” a man who “makes things happen in Washington,” blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that we’ll never, ever vote for him in 2016, and that might be true — for awhile. But strange things happen. What if Christie emerges as a real threat to take the nomination with moderate support? Suddenly Rubio becomes the lesser of two evils, a guy who’s much more conservative than Christie on balance, who has a pretty good record if you exclude the whole “terrible immigration bill” thing, who’s darned electable against Hillary and isn’t that what’s really important? We’ll talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it. And then, once he’s the nominee, any righty who threatens to stay home in protest of his embarrassing betrayal of border security (and betrayal of the voters who elected him in 2010 as an anti-amnesty candidate) will be considered an utmost traitor to the conservative cause. Again, Rubio knows all this.


Any conservative who's already confidently pronouncing Rubio DOA in 2016 because of his immigration work is forgetting very recent history.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bordersecurity; gangof8; immigration; immigrationbill; randsconcerntrolls; rubio
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To: SeekAndFind
'Gang of Eight' Members Angry....

Wacko Birds McCain & Grahamnasty.

41 posted on 06/15/2013 12:00:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SeekAndFind

When I learned that nobama’s Google buddie was picking up the tab for those ads, I knew this thing was not in our better interest.

I think Rubio hurt himself by going along with these subterfuges promoted around Rush’s airtime, with inference it was backed by conservatives.


42 posted on 06/15/2013 12:22:59 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Regulator

Shumer is oblivious to the cold hard fact that as late as 1848 Mexicans were still burning Jews at the stake, and they might start that up again just for funzies. These are the last people on the planet we should be importing more of!


43 posted on 06/15/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sheana

S.744 is NOT a bill that protects Amercans or US soverignity.

It was written by self-serving latino lobbyists/pressure groups/salivating Third World federales acting in collusion, paking the bill with freebies and giveaways...... and anti-american provisions to facilitate reconquista.

Remember that DHS’ Janet Napolitano said she and Obama have the “right” to decide which laws they will obey.

If Ohaha doesnt like a Republican amendment, he’ll just x it out.


44 posted on 06/15/2013 12:40:39 PM PDT by Liz
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To: yoe

Schumer-Rubio promises & why they’re bogus
http://www.scribd.com/doc/146182945/Why-S-744-is-a-fraud

The Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration plan will destroy individual privacy via biometric database.
https://secure.conservativeactionalerts.com/caa_nationalid/preview_fax.html


45 posted on 06/15/2013 12:41:57 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Liz

I’d love to see it!


46 posted on 06/15/2013 12:45:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: g.i.joe

onw better.. pee in the bottle and fax a picture to his office


47 posted on 06/15/2013 12:48:21 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rubio and the rest proved where they stand on enforcement when they voted to table Cornyn’s amendment. I could be wrong about this, but I’m pretty sure the deed’s already been done.

If Rubio’s having trouble, it’s of his own making. I have no sympathy for a politician says one thing to a group (that it likes) and a different thing in a different language to another group (which it also likes). I don’t know how he thought it wouldn’t be discovered.


48 posted on 06/15/2013 12:54:16 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SeekAndFind

I do not know a single republican that personally likes rubio... he is universally hated amongst the conservatives that I know.


49 posted on 06/15/2013 12:57:42 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Marcella

There will be no more “traditional” republican elections. Millions of us that have caved for decades and did cave in 2012 and voted for romney and were conflicted in doing so... have had all that we can stand. There is very little difference in a boehner/mcconnell or a pelosi/reid except that boner and mcconnell lie to their base about everything.

I will not vote for a bush or a rubio or any other progressive rovian nightmare. Not even Jim himself could talk me into it this time. I am not alone.

LLS


50 posted on 06/15/2013 1:02:38 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: muawiyah

One wonders if he ever heard the word “conversos”

And if so, what is he thinking??


51 posted on 06/15/2013 1:10:22 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: dadfly

Thank you and I agree.


52 posted on 06/15/2013 1:15:07 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Liz

Thank you and yes I agree.


53 posted on 06/15/2013 1:15:43 PM PDT by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

All the quislings would have to do is say,
“We’re going to make sure our southwestern border is secure. Period. Then we’re going to deal with 11-30 uninvited, foreign residents.”

We would be on board.

Instead they put the cart before the horse and give us a bunch of `lip service’ about how our disgruntled guests are going to have to do this, and that—when we know `this and that’ will never happen. Their goal is to amnesty. Period.

Just as important, however, is their reaction whenever someone raises the topic: “OK, if we go along with you on this, how are we going to make sure that we aren’t just kicking this can down the road? Again.”

They get angry. Why? Because they have no intention of addressing our porous border. They want more “undocumented immigrants.”
1986 redux, rinse and repeat. (Btw, know how many were amnestied then? About 3 million. Today? Prolly just tack a 0 on the 3.)


54 posted on 06/15/2013 1:16:44 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind
 photo 1f4b470b5accd4a2564375bdbe7a6a8d_zps688e2090.jpg He'll be back as soon as he is made whole again.
55 posted on 06/15/2013 3:14:48 PM PDT by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: itsahoot

Once Rubio gets in a primary he is toast.They don’t have to even attack him on immigration. Just show his wikipedia page. He has never had a real job. He will lose his Senate seat to an anti-war Democrat. They can talk about Rubio using GOP funds.

58% is pretty low for a messiah. 30% dont know him. Once Rick Perry got caught giving tuition to illegals his approval went down. The voters had assumed Rick Perry was a border hawk from Texas.


56 posted on 06/15/2013 3:26:43 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: SeekAndFind
"Marco the Rube" in too deep to know enough to stop digging the hole any deeper.

Time now for another WEAK opening act to GET OFF THE STAGE.

"Marco the Rube" give it a rest pal. You're no longer a voice we can listen to.

57 posted on 06/15/2013 4:54:04 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: ObamahatesPACoal
He will lose his Senate seat to an anti-war Democrat.

Maybe we could find an anti-war conservative. Naw, probably not.

58 posted on 06/15/2013 6:01:13 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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