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Fewer Visas or More Surveillance?
Townhall.com ^ | June 12, 2013 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 06/12/2013 5:44:52 AM PDT by Kaslin

On Sept. 11, 2001, 19 people hijacked four U.S. commercial airliners after those airliners took off from airports inside the United States. They then flew those airliners into the World Trade Center towers, the Pentagon and a field outside Shanksville, Pa.

The hijackers had certain characteristics in common. All were young males from regions of the world that in recent decades had produced radicalized Muslims -- and the U.S. government had given all of them visas to enter the United States.

The oldest of the hijackers was 33; the youngest was 20; their average age was about 24. One came from Egypt, one from Lebanon, two from the United Arab Emirates, and 15 from Saudi Arabia.

The staff of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States -- the 9/11 commission -- would later publish a report on how these young radical Muslim men were allowed to enter the United States and travel around our country as they prepared to murder thousands of Americans in the name of jihad.

The report said: "The relative ease with which the hijackers obtained visas and entered the United States underscores the importance of travel to their terrorist operations."

"Once the operation was underway, the conspirators attempted to enter the United States 34 times over 21 months, through nine airports," said the report. "They succeeded all but once."

"Every hijacker submitted a visa application falsely stating that he was not seeking to enter the United States to engage in terrorism," said the report. "This was a felony, punishable under 18 U.S.C. Section 1546 by 25 years in prison and under 18 U.S.C. Section 1001 by 5 years in prison, and was a violation of immigration law rendering each one inadmissible under 8 U.S.C. Section 1182(a)(6)(c)."

What strategy did the United States pursue to protect the liberty and security of Americans from future attacks like the ones carried out inside the United States by these 19 young radicalized Muslim males from Egypt, Lebanon, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia?

It encompassed many things, including, we now know, activities as far-flung as supporting revolutions in Middle Eastern countries and tapping directly into the servers of Internet companies like Google and Facebook. But it did not include stopping Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old radicalized Muslim male from Nigeria, from boarding Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines Flight 253 in Amsterdam at Christmas 2009.

Had Abdulmutallab's underwear bomb worked, Flight 253 would have been blown out of the sky.

A month before that flight, Abdulmutallab's father went to the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria and warned our government about his son. Our government put Abdulmutallab's name on a list called the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE). That list -- the government's master list of known or suspected terrorists -- contained about 500,000 names at Christmas 2009.

But the government failed to put Abdumutallab on the somewhat smaller list called the Terrorist Screening Database (TSDB), which then consisted of about 400,000 names. That list, according to the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, includes "only individuals who are known or reasonably suspected to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of or related to terrorism."

And even had Abdulmutallab made the TSDB by Christmas 2009, that does not mean he would not have been stopped from boarding Flight 253. For that to have happened, he would have needed to make it past the "Selectee" list (which then had about 14,000 names) to the "No Fly" list (which had only 4,000).

Making the "Selectee" list would have subjected him to greater scrutiny before boarding the plane. Making the "No Fly" would have blocked him from boarding.

Then-National Counterterrorism Center Director Michael Leiter told the Senate Homeland Security Committee a month after Flight 253 that if all of the information the U.S. had about Abdulmutallab had been put together, it still would have taken a subjective analytic judgment to determine whether to put him on the Selectee list or the No-Fly list.

"So looking at the signals intelligence and looking at what the father said, you put that together," said Leiter, "and the question is, would the analyst have said, we have a potential al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula operative, or we have a potential al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula operative who may be boarding an airplane to use a suicide bomb, or this individual is involved in plotting around December 25th to attack the United States."

"On that first one, under the existing standards, I think he's likely in the Selectee, but likely not the No Fly," Leiter told the committee. "On the later analytic judgments, it's more likely that he gets into the No-Fly criteria."

Last week, The Washington Post reported that senior Russian counterintelligence officials showed a delegation of U.S. congressmen a letter they sent to the FBI in March 2011 about 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the alleged Boston Marathon bomber. The letter, as the Post reported, "suggested that Tsarnaev was far more committed to jihad than had been earlier reported."

After visiting his native Russia last year for six months, Tsarnaev was allowed to re-enter the United States.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: foreignaffairs; nineeleven; surveillance; tameralntsarnaev; terrorism; visas; worldtradecenter

1 posted on 06/12/2013 5:44:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The most sophisticated and invasive government surveillance system on the planet, coupled with numerous warnings from family, other governments, and this DHS, TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA et all could not find their ass with both hands and a flashlight. Great going guys!


2 posted on 06/12/2013 5:48:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

If our government really wanted to protect us from terrorism, they would secure the border and stop importing terrorists from terrorist producing regions of the world.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 6:14:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gaffer

But I’ll bet they’ll be able to build a rock solid case against you or I when our time comes.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 6:14:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Gaffer

To quote Jim Traficant from many years ago.

“Our intelligence agencies are so stupid they could throw themselves at the ground and miss”.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 6:15:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I used to be a patriot. Served my time in the military and always worked and paid taxes. I respected our government agencies. Today, they are our enemies. No more.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 6:19:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Sounds to me like you’re even more of a patriot in the model of our founders. After all, they repeatedly warned us against trusting them.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 6:22:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll stand with that! Gaffer


8 posted on 06/12/2013 6:44:36 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: Kaslin

Leave the borders open, encourage more muslium immigration,allow saudi students to come in on visas with no oversight,wave musliums through tsa check points so we don’t profile.
Data mining of conservative web sites, monitor phone calls,internet postings and e mails of active duty military and veterans.Begin irs and fbi investigations of tea party groups. Begin having mental evaluations of any anti obama speech because hate speech is a sign of mental instability and could lead to school shootings. Remove guns from citizens because only the police and military can handle weapons safely and it will protect the children. Children can report any hate speech to either their school resource police officer or the in school organizing for america youth counselor.
We are not at war with islam we just need to address the root causes of poverty,imperialism and racism that we caused, we must make amends for it. The real threat are those Bible believing,gun toting,limited government rubes that are stalling the masses from progressing into the glorious international future.


9 posted on 06/12/2013 7:23:39 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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Outlaw Islam. It is not a religion, it is a socio-political system masquerading as a religion. Deport all non-citizen Muslims. Offer all citizen Muslims relocation assistance to the Islamic hellhole of their choice.


10 posted on 06/12/2013 7:32:15 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kaslin

There is no, zero, compelling reason for the US to admit people from nations, or who belong to religions or religious sects, or embrace philosophies, that are belligerent to us, our form of government and law, or our interests, foreign and domestic, unless they have been scrutinized and approved on an individual basis as “conflict refugees”.

Even these should not be admitted solely at the discretion of the president, but only through an official and open policy created by congress.

Since the H1-B visa program has been exposed as being used as a massive, intelligence gathering industrial espionage effort, strict scrutiny should be applied to those enrolled in it in the future, to include prohibitions on their working with classified, or even proprietary corporate technical or other sensitive data.

Because the US shares a large border with Mexico, individual Mexicans should be used to prevent illegal crossings by non-Mexicans over the border. This would be done by establishing a public or private bounty, to be paid to Mexican citizens, for information leading to the detention of these non-Mexican border crossers.

This is separate and distinct from the creation of a border fence directed at Mexican illegal aliens, because that is oriented to preventing large scale illegal immigration. This is far more focused, and has to be, because non-Mexican illegal border crossers can, a few at a time, still get through, but have the potential for enormous harm if they do.

Having thousands of greedy Mexican eyes on them would make this extremely difficult.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 8:12:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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