Posted on 06/11/2013 1:07:06 PM PDT by Abakumov
No citizen has an obligation to help an agency violate the Constitution oath or no oath. - Desert Rhino on another thread
What do you mean it's not up to him to determine the Constitutionality of the laws? Did he stop being a man when he took that NSA oath? Did he check his brain at the door? This is a pretty blatant violation of the constitution. And the scope of the violation pretty much necessitated that he handle it the way he did.
Not irrelevant, Assnage and Manning did what they did simply to damage the US but are hailed as heroes by the left and likely Obama.
Snowden?
He’ll get droned or “mysterious accident/poisoning” and denigrated for pretty much doing the right thing in this case.
If you get a chance, watch “The Spy Factory”.
The NSA says that EVERY member of Congress knew about this already. Not very secret.
I knew about it because the NSA talked about it in 2008 or 09 - how several employees were disciplined for listening to recorded phone sex conversations between soldiers and their.... bestie’s/wives/GF’s....
So - that means that when they say that they AREN’T storing “Voice Data” they are lying.... flat out.
That’s the next show that is going to drop on this scandal.
And very disturbing that no one in Congress upheld THEIR oath and revealed this years ago.
When the government becomes lawless, the citizen will follow its lead.
Yes. Next question.
Snowden hasn’t been heard from since yesterday. Maybe he is already dead.
Just make him disappear like Jimmy Hoffa. No body and a thousand theories about what happen to him.
Communists/Socialists eventually get around to killing people who just won’t see things their way...
Snowden and those two are apples and oranges.
Is there evidence Manning and Assunge are his heroes?
Even if they were it doesn’t matter.
We'd need to know much more about any such recordings but dollars to doughnuts those involved foreign origin calls.
So, how to get rid of the FISA infrastructure ~ and the solution presents itself. An emotionally marginal NSA geek meets this acrobat ballerina pole dancer and falls in love, then he succumbs to her blandishments and says 'Hey guys, NSA let me do all this stuff if I really wanna'" and then have the newsies push on it.
Remember, Axelrod has a complete stable of all sorts of women who will do or say anything he wants ~ presumably for money ~ and he has his sources still inside the former USSR institutions in Russia.
Well, there you have it ~ Snowden is probably gone down the memory hole, and the acrobat woman is already back advertising on her website ~ she sure moved on fast didn't she. And the FISA courts? They look like they are incapable of controlling NSA's use of the latest in this fancy technology, and presumably Congress will take up the issue and get rid of the courts ~ handing it all back to 'bama and his henchmen.
I think they miscalculated this one.
If he wanted to be a federal judge and start ruling on constitutionality, he could have applied for that job.
You can't leave it to the guys at NSA to decide what is or is not constitutional when it comes to what NSA does. Next thing you know somebody would decide holding secrets and doing surveillance is unconstitutional and......................
You mean someone might read this in the constitution...
And come to the conclusion that a warrantless program without probable cause that gathered all citizen's phone calls and internet access made from their house, is unconstitutional?
Yeah I guess it's dangerous for NSA employees to think. At least it's dangerous to the tyrants.
Fur Shur most of the folks on these threads the last few days haven't.
Bet you have no idea who owns telephone company calling records either.
So, an NSA geek is sitting there tapped into the AlQaida leader's cellphone in Pakistan and he starts wondering if that is really kosher and all that, and calls up the Russian embassy .....
They really have to hire men and women of probity and emotional stability who are also reasonably educated in the ins and outs of what the spy business is about.
Tough call on this one. I think he should have simply quit and kept his mouth shut, though what he did was, IMHO heroic. It was also illegal and they now have the proof that they need to “disappear” him. If he was as good a spook as he said he was, he should’ve tried to do this more anonymously and it makes me wonder why he is out, immediately claiming credit for this.
Almost everyone in the world is looking for this guy, just imagine what he’d be worth to 1) the US, 2) Russia, 3)China, etc. He probably has tons more info on classified programs that he is saving as his life insurance, but in the end, he broke the law. He is as good as dead. If he goes to Russia for “asylum” his days there will probably no be pleasant, and he will be confined to a mental institution from all of the interrogation he will undergo. Perhaps he is of the Nathan Hale cloth in that he only regrets he has one life to give for his country. I just can’t at this moment, understand his motivations, and it is difficult to take what he is saying at face value, after all he is a spook.
Perfect post.
The whole scenario is developing with leading pubbies condemning the kid as a traitor. You can bet the kid can’t get a life insurance policy. One wouldn’t put past Bam to whack him, as his (Bam’s) policies have demonstrated.
Security Oath ? No such thing, sorry. Two page signed agreement, that’s all. . .
If they want to kill him, they will find him and they will kill him. No one can hide forever. May take time, but if they truly want this guy, they will run him to ground. He would have to hide in Russia or China or North Korea to be even close to safe.
“Edward Snowden is in fear for his life. He should be.”
Depends. If he takes up Putin’s offer to settle in Russia, he should be okay. It will piss off Hillary, the commie state department, the Nazi Soros and Obuma. I won’t mention the smattering of Soros useful idiots here on FR.
He should be able to melt into the Orthodox community or the Jewish community in Russia and live a normal life.
It was the law in Germany to stuff Jews into ovens, too. I’m sure you agree that Rev. Niemoller was a lawbreaker.
Oh, I saw an oath on a site. But now I see it’s not a government site. My bad.
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