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Or do you have a desire to believe what his detractors are saying he said absent an actual quote from him or an actual vote on a real piece of legislation?

Here is a quote.

"I'm really trying to make immigration work, but they are going to have to come to me and they're going to have to work to make the bill stronger if they want me to vote for it," Paul added."

This bill has so many provisions having nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with outrageous violations of civil liberties that it should be scrapped entirely and the process restarted. It is a 1500 page monster. If Paul had said, 'I want immigration reform, but this is not it,' I'd have no problem. The problem is that HIS CHOICE OF LANGUAGE made it possible to construe that he might vote for it after a few tweaks.

We are, sometimes, our own worst enemies...

Indeed. Yet if he gets a promise of 'border security first' and then finds himself trapped into voting for it because of what he said, junior will have participated in a travesty. He's a libertarian at heart, and that group has always believed in open borders as a matter of individual liberty.

"Paul said he dislikes the plan’s cap on agricultural workers. He also wants people who are in the U.S. on work visas to stand in line for U.S. citizenship in their country of origin, and he would not create a new path to citizenship.

Paul is very good on illegal immigration and border enforcement. He should be supported and not bashed.

And what if he really can fix it? End the welfare and perks going to illegals? Get a real border security solution? Make those currently here "self deport" and come back legally? Cut that 1500 pages down to a couple hundred that actually does what we want it to do?

I don't think that is what some here want. I think they are just running around waving their hands in the air and making noise to cover the fact that they just don't want anyone new coming here. Ever. From anywhere.

Anyone who wants to come here, legally, to BE Americans should be allowed the chance. Not to be a welfare leach. Not to undermine us from withing as some "Reconquista" movement. My Grandparent on my Fathers side came here from the Ukraine to BE Americans. To give that promise of self-created opportunity to their children.

But then again, we aren't as "free" as we used to be and a lot of the "opportunity" we used to have is gone under an avalanche of .gov bureaucracy.