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To: jiggyboy
I saw Bolton on Fox yesterday and was so appalled by him that I now consider him to be a “formerly solid” conservative.

This is an example of the major "Strange Bedfellows" effect we are now seeing here on FR and in the news in general.

Good Guys have morphed into Bad Guys and vice versa. Bolton is one of the former and, of all people, Michael Moore is now one of the Good Guys who supports Snowden. But then so is Glen Beck.

As a general rule I think we can see that the Libertarian branch of FR generally supports Snowden. The Strong National Defense branch doesn't. And on the Left, the Obamabots are against Snowden while the "We Don't Need No Stinking National Defense" arm of the Left support him.

What to make of this?

We live in very, very interesting times. I don't know what to make of it.

37 posted on 06/10/2013 7:48:18 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

“My party is all good and the other party is all bad” is usually the way of talk radio and many politicians, and woe unto those who dare to criticize Rush Limbaugh here. What we’re seeing with the recent outrages — acknowledged by both D’s and R’s to have been supported and put into place by both D’s and R’s — is that the False Choice Fallacy is becoming obvious.

The libertarians especially have long been able to paint R’s and D’s with the same brush on some issues — increasing intrusion of big government, increasing spending regardless of economic circumstances, support for government malfeasance at every level — and now we are seeing that it’s not necessarily D’s vs R’s, it’s as much Constitutionalists vs post-Constitutionalists. The latter group certainly has included many R’s for quite some time.


62 posted on 06/10/2013 7:57:09 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: InterceptPoint
What to make of this?

We live in very, very interesting times. I don't know what to make of it.

It's a phenomenon as old as humanity, best described in this quote:

"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." -- Robert A. Heinlein

198 posted on 06/10/2013 9:02:23 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: InterceptPoint

View it as authoritarians versus freedom lovers and it all settles into place, deluded though the left end of the spectrum for either one may well be.


221 posted on 06/10/2013 9:24:50 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: InterceptPoint
Precisely. It has run a sword through vast partisan and ideological blocks. I see this as proof that it warrants a great national discussion, which Mr. Snowden claims to be his purpose.

I like your ironic tagline. Reminds me of a truck I saw on a Chicago freeway a few decades ago which said: No Slogan - Just Service.
228 posted on 06/10/2013 9:31:49 AM PDT by jobim (.)
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