Posted on 06/10/2013 7:31:41 AM PDT by maggief
(CHICAGO)
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Former U.S. Ambassador John Bolton told Bruce Wolf and Dan Proft on WLS that he thinks admitted leaker Edward Snowden, is guilty of treason:
"Number one, this man is a liar. He took an oath to keep the secrets that were shared with him so he could do his job. He said said he would not disclose them, and he lied. Number two, he lied because he thinks he's smarter and has a higher morality than the rest of us. This guy thinks he has a higher morality, that he can see clearer than other 299-million 999-thousand 999 of us, and therefore he can do what he wants. I say that is the worst form of treason".
(Excerpt) Read more at wlsam.com ...
...”Actually he likely outed himself for safety”.
This is what I believe.
Rand Paul would be my weathervane on what congress should have known. I give him the highest marks for personal liberties and freedoms.
I have little faith in the rest of the professional ruling class.
” that he can see clearer than other 299-million 999-thousand 999 of us”
He has seen, and did the right thing. The rest of us have been kept in the dark, like mushrooms.
He is a hero to me.
“Who’s to say that China doesn’t get him first, and squeeze him for every bit of knowledge he has regarding NSA operations, now that he’s outed himself?
So, no, you can’t, actually....:
Yeah, like that’s going to happen when the eye of everyone in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world is focussed on Mr. Snowden at this moment in time. I’m sure the Chinese are going to swoop down and kidnap Mr. Snowden to interrogate him with the whole world watching. Which is why Mr. Snowden was very smart in outing himself, to protect himself from any side of the equation.
Wow...this is a sad day...I used to take this man’s word as gospel....Bolton is dead to me now. I could care less what he has to say. He has taken to the side of evil that says it’s A-OK with what the government has and is doing to its own people.
Mindcrime. Revolution Calling.
“Who was Snowden supposed to trust with the information?
Eric Holder - NO
Democratically held Senate - NO
A RHINO in Congress - NO
FBI - NO
MSM - NO
CIA - NO
State Department - NO
The President - HAHAHA”
Exactly! I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as Present AssClown can throw a baseball!
>>>Snowden could of done all of this anonymously ala “Deep Throat”. He outed himself for the 15 minutes of fame.<<<
Do you really think Deep Throat could have remained anonymous in the Prism era?
lepton: “...the FISA rubber-stamping of requests without due diligence.”
That’s a major issue here! No one is claiming the government doesn’t have the right to collect information. The courts and Congress are NOT doing their jobs!!!
Technically, Bolton is correct. Snowden is an enemy of the state. However, he has done a good thing. Exposing the ability and ease in which people with access can go after enemies or whomever is a service to the citizens of this country who value freedom. The question is whether or not the Executive branch went after records of citizens who oppose them.
thoughtful post, thanks
“Technically, Bolton is correct. Snowden is an enemy of the state.”
Technically, every conservative on this web-site is an enemy of this state.
More to the point, technically, this state is an enemy of the Constitution and “We the People”
Releasing information on how our intelligence gathering works risks endangering everyone against those who would do us harm. As an absolute, that is flatly true. The issue is how much, and how much is a reasonable trade off against the potential for us not knowing to do us harm.
Completely ignoring either side of the equation is reckless. This whole thread is about the perception that Bolton is disregarding domestic danger by an over-emphasis on terrorist and foreign danger...which he may well be...but that doesn’t mean disregarding damage to our intelligence collecting is of no consequence either.
I agree that we can’t say for sure if he’s a hero, but my scale is tipping in his direction as every day goes by. I can imagine seeing the info and practices that he witnessed, and getting disgusted. It saddens me to see how farthis country has fallen.
That is what gets me. This administration declared a whole swath of the population to be enemies or potential enemies. That is all the justification they needed to snoop apparently. They were very public about their enemies list. And they called them enemies of the country. They are evil.
I think he outed himself so he would not be killed.
dirtboy: “A blanket NSA order violates the 4th Amendment.”
EXACTLY! This is the same reason why the search for the Boston bombing suspects was also unconstitutional. Constitutionally, you can’t do a blanket search of hundreds of homes on the vague suspicion a bomber may be hidden in one of them.
The 4th Amendment is pretty clear. I don’t believe there’s much gray area there, but if there is, it MUST fall to increased protection—not less. Meaning? The burden is always on the federal government—not the People—to prove it’s not violating a constitutional provision. If in doubt, the rights are preserved by the States or the People. That’s the founders’ clear intent.
Do not forget: tea partiers and Christians and veterans are just a few officially declared by Homeland Security as considered to be likely terrorists now. They think they are justified targeting them instead of the Islamists.
Blowing the whistle on treason is not treason, especially in light of what the govt has been doing to political dissidents ie tea partiers, not to mention promoting the false religion of Islam here and around the globe, as well as homosexuality here and around the globe, not to mention gun running, benghazi, etc etc. Fedzilla is an evil monster on our own dime. Talk about digging our own graves.
“but that doesn’t mean disregarding damage to our intelligence collecting is of no consequence either.”
As I see it, the damage is minimal. The terrorists already knew well before this that internet exchanges and wiretapping was taking place to try to track them down. What wasn’t known by the U.S. populace was that millions of those intercepts were of our citizenry itself, and being stored where at any time any lowlife in our current administration (or in future crooked ones) could mine it to be abused for political purposes. This is where Mr. Snowden comes in. He exposed to Americans that which they had no idea of, and to what an extent data mining was being done. I’m on the liberty and freedom side of this, you appear to have chosen the neo-con, hawk only, secrecy, RINO establishment side of this. To each their own.
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