Posted on 06/10/2013 4:44:58 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
A New Jersey police officer is being held on $1 million bail after he allegedly shot and killed a man in an apparent act of road rage while traveling with his family in Maryland. My FoxNY.com reports police say 40-year-old Joseph Walker, a sworn officer with the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office in New Jersey, shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Harvey Jr. after an altercation on the shoulder of an interstate Saturday night.
Officials in Maryland say they were told that a road rage incident had happened between the two vehicles before they pulled over. Harvey had one passenger in his car at the time and Walker's wife and three children were in his minivan.
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“The family eventually had to move. Who do you report the Chief of Police to when they’re abusive?”
Mssrs. Smith and Wesson.
This was NJ. Guns are illegal in NJ without permission from (drum roll) the chief of police.
This was before easy and inexpensive availability of digital video recorders.
Plus, in NJ, the fire union might take offense and your house might mysteriously burn.
You don’t muck with LEOs in NJ. For a lot of reasons.
The only reason to stop is to confront the other guy.
IOW, it’s the equivalent of “taking it outside.” An irresponsible thing to do anytime, with family in the car it’s beyond irresponsible.
That said, there is nowhere near enough info in this story to assign responsibility.
You are a wise man for reserving judgment on this suspicious killing. If may turn out to have been a justifiable self-defense shooting, but it appears that there’s a better chance that it was a killing by an enraged, out-of-control individual needlessly killing another human being. But I’m sure more information will be coming out on this.
True.
Situations like this are one reason I think there was a good bit of wisdom in the common law requirement of “duty to retreat.”
A whole bunch of conservatives have the idea that this is some sort of modern invention, whereas it is actually an ancient part of the common law. Goes back many centuries, 1532 in fact.
If you choose to get into a confrontation when you have the opportunity to avoid it, you cannot later claim that you acted 100% in self-defense.
I can actually see both sides on this issue, and possibly there is some reasonable way to reconcile them. But getting into a confrontation or fight out of anger or pride or revenge is not a justifiable reason for killing someone.
I would write a comprehensive letter of complaint and send multiple copies to the city council, the mayor, the deputy cheif of police, the county sheriff, the local DA, the state patrol, the governor, the state AG, your state and federal representative and senator, all county and state judges, the FBI, the regional Federal Attorney General and the local and regional news media and the pus buckets wife, mother, siblings and adult children, if any.
Do it all in writing, having taken pics of car blocking driveway and recorded conversations. Send copies to all with a cc at bottom indicating everyone who received a copy so they all know everyone else knows, simultaneously and create a sh!t storm.
He would be the one moving.
You’ve never lived in NJ have you?
“...But getting into a confrontation or fight out of anger or pride or revenge is not a justifiable reason for killing someone.”
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It definitely is not a justifiable reason for killing someone. And, in this case, I’ve heard that the cop first shot him in the leg. Apparently that was not enough to satiate the rage he was feeling, so he then proceeded to fire the fatal shot.
I’m going to be very pissed if they give this cop a paid vacation (known to “entitled” government employees as administrative leave) while the investigation proceeds. As it is, even if the investigation finds sufficient justification for a trial, there’s a good chance that the cop will not be convicted (the cop is black, this is in Maryland and jury nullification of black defendants is all the rage here). They’d probably also sit a relatively low bail for this killer.
Nope, but the simple fact is, if you contact everyone on that list simultaneously, with evidence of the behavior, they’ll throw him under the bus.
They only tolerate stuff that stays off the radar. Put him on it and they will sacrifice him to keep the natives quiet.
Corruption and cockroaches do not like the light.
Well, yeah. You’d get rid of him.
The rest of the cops would still belong to the union. The union would be your undoing.
Ask Hoffa how that works.
You do NOT mess with LEOS in NJ. For a variety of reasons.
Really? I can count on you to post documentation?
I don’t know, there seems to be lots of articles on the internet of many handsome settlements paid out by the citizens of NJ to those that have stood up to LEO corruption.
Shine enough light on them and the cockroaches scurry.
My friend had a kid and didn’t want to push the matter. I can’t really blame her. They ended up in PA with a bigger house, lower taxes and a better school system. Longer commute but that was the tradeoff.
An interactive map of botched SWAT and paramilitary police raids, released in conjunction with the Cato policy paper “Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids,” by Radley Balko.
Anybody who doesn’t recognize that there is an LEO problem hasn’t been paying attention.
You apparently know more about the case than I do, which wouldn’t be hard. Given how badly the MSM screws up the facts in areas in which I’m expert, I don’t have much faith in their general ability to report a story accurately.
Trading liberty for safety is a current common theme in America today.
I would have chosen differently.
It’s also true that predators develop a sense for those who will make the trade off. That’s the drawback to being a sheeple.
And collecting a pension and benefits instead of being in prison where he belongs.
That isn't documentation that cops murder citizens and dogs every day, is it?
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