Dad of five faces jail for ‘bashing burglar’ at business (Great Britain)

The Sun (U.K) ^ | June 9, 2013 | Craig Woodhouse

[the scotsman]

I am pro-gun, pro-American, pro-Israeli, anti-Piers Morgan.
Conservative, UKIP voter, ex-Tory, never supported socialism in my life and never will. Anti-unrestricted immigration, antiextremist Islam.

Proud UK gun owner, campaigner against UK gun laws past and present, and served seven years in the military as a Para. So very patriotic and very pro-military.

Thats my POV.

[skinkinthegrass]

bladed weapons; are good..firearms are great extention of the fist.
Had some Royal Marines teach us some "interesting tactics" ('86) in
a Martial Arts seminar...very cheerful guys. ;-)

[manc]

thanks but this does not surprise me at all, the UK has become a messed up country

[little jeremiah]

I really don’t know much about your POV other than your comments over the times I’ve run into them.

Your statements just now don’t somehow match many of the comments I’ve seen on FR. Maybe you just enjoy being a pot stirrer. I don’t know, and truth to tell, don’t care all that much.

[skinkinthegrass]

an educated/informed active public; is a corrupt pols worst nightmare.
Google up...The Battle of Athens (TN)

[usconservative]

You’re a mealy mouthed liar spewing the same misinformation as your buddy Piers Morgan. Everything you post is a lie.

[usconservative]

Do you, or any American, honestly think Britain is a far more violent nation than the US. Really?

YES. The fact is there are far more violent crimes committed in the UK per 100,000 people than in the U.S.

You've claimed on this forum in the past that there are less murders in the UK than the U.S. That's false too. There are more MURDERS committed in the U.K. per 100,000 people than there are in the U.S. Those murders in the UK may not happen by gun because of the UK's stupid gun ban, so they happen by other means, by knife being #1. So why doesn't the UK ban knives next?

Then you claim there are more gun murders in the US than there are in the UK. Again, FALSE. Looking at the numbers of gun related murders in the UK per 100,000 people, the UK ranks as the 67th most violent country in the world according to the United Nations. The United States is #127.

Even the UN understands the difference between murder, suicide and self defense and has proven that the actual murder rate in the US is much lower than that of the UK.

What you post is garbage, not even worthy of being called propaganda.

[usconservative]

I am 43 this year. I have been the victim of crime ONCE in my 25 yrs as an adult living in the UK. The last 25 yrs where crime in the UK has risen.

Right, so your personal experience translates into what? Your personal experience is IRRELEVANT. Facts speak for themselves.

[the scotsman]

‘You’ve claimed on this forum in the past that there are less murders in the UK than the U.S. That’s false too.’

Really?. Because according to this link below, the UK had 722 murders to USA’s 14,748.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Oh, and UNDOC is the United Nations you are fond of quoting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime

Those figures show the following:

murder rate per 100000

UK 1.2
US 4.8

‘Then you claim there are more gun murders in the US than there are in the UK. Again, FALSE.’

TRUE.

The US rate per 100000 is 10.3
The UK rate per 100000 is 0.25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

‘Gun Murders in England, Scotland and Wales 2011/12’

“There were 640 Murders / Homicides in Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) in 2011/12 (10.43 per million population)

Of these 640 Murders / Homicides, 44 involved a gun or firearm as the main weapon. Gun murders in Britain in 2011/12 represent 6% of the murder cases, (0.72 gun homicides per million population).”

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html

SO.....

America’s murder rate is FOUR times the UK’s
America’s gun murder rate is FORTY ONE times the UK’s

America has almost 15000 murders a year
Britain has around 600-700 a year

America has almost 11000 gun homicides a year
Britain has less than 50.

The only garbage, lies and propaganda being posted is by you.

[the scotsman]

‘The number of homicides recorded by the police in 2011/12 (550) fell by 14 percent compared with 2010/11, homicide is at its lowest level since 1983 (when 550 were also recorded). The reducing trend in murder and homicide is reflected in a reduction in attempted murder (down 8%) and serious violence (GBH and ABH down 8%) across England and Wales.’

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html

‘Table of number of Homicides (victims) in SCOTLAND 2001 to 2012 - with Gun Murder Statistics per year’

2011/12

90
(of which 5 were caused by a gun / firearm)

17
(population of Scotland is 5.3 million)

‘Table of number of Homicides (victims) in NORTHERN IRELAND 2001 to 2012’

2011/12

23

12.7
(population of Northern Ireland is 1.8 million)

UK (Great Britain) Total Murder / Homicide numbers and rate 2011/2012

Total UK population in 2011 (census 2011) was 63,181,775
Total Murders / Homicides in UK (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) in the financial year 2011/12 is 663 (was 777 in 2010/11)
Total UK murder / homicide rate in 2011/12 is 10.5 (was 12.3 in 2010/11)

Yeah, you’re right, facts dont lie.

[the scotsman]

‘Then you claim there are more gun murders in the US than there are in the UK. Again, FALSE.’

TRUE.

The US rate per 100000 is 3.6
The UK rate per 100000 is 0.25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

‘Gun Murders in England, Scotland and Wales 2011/12’

“There were 640 Murders / Homicides in Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) in 2011/12 (10.43 per million population)

Of these 640 Murders / Homicides, 44 involved a gun or firearm as the main weapon. Gun murders in Britain in 2011/12 represent 6% of the murder cases, (0.72 gun homicides per million population).”

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html

SO.....America’s gun murder rate is NINE times the UK’s....

[the scotsman]

You see, when I make an error, I check it and correct it.

America’s gun murder rate is NINE TIMES the UK’s, not 41 times as I originally posted. Overall, the US rate IS 41 times the UK rate of gun deaths.

Only nine?. Break out the champagne. Watch out, at this rate, you’ll be civilised in a decade or two.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Watch out, at this rate, you’ll be civilised in a decade or two.” <<

.
If caving in to brutal criminals is civilization.

Quick, down on your knees and beg for your life like a civilized man.

[the scotsman]

Sarcasm lost on you?.

[editor-surveyor]

British apology is definitely lost on me.

[the scotsman]

Apology?. The British dont apologise for anything!.

LOL

[editor-surveyor]

Neither did Hitler or Stalin.

Nevertheless, your comment was “apology.”

[usconservative]

Nice to see you finally admit to being a liar.