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Why This Scandal Is Different
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 31, 2013 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 06/03/2013 11:02:56 PM PDT by neverdem

Sometimes when you’re writing part of a column you keep getting close to the meaning of what you want to say but you don’t quite get there, the full formulation of the idea eludes you. Then two days later, relaxing in conversation with friends, the thought comes to you whole, and you think: That’s what I meant to say. That’s what I was trying to get.

This week I had one of those moments. I kept trying, the paragraph kept not quite working, the deadline came.

I got an email last night that had the effect of a clarifying conversation. It was from a smart friend who works in government. He understood the point I was trying to make about how the current IRS scandal is different from previous ones and more threatening to the American...

--snip--

But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say, ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . . It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball game.”

It is.

That’s exactly what I meant.

In previous IRS scandals it was the powerful abusing the powerful—a White House moving against prominent financial or journalistic figures who, because of their own particular status or the machineries at their disposal, could pretty much take care of themselves. A scandal erupts, there are headlines, and then people go on their way. The dreadful thing about this scandal, what makes it ominous, is that this is the elites versus regular citizens. It’s the mighty versus normal people. It’s the all-powerful directors of the administrative state training their eyes and moving on uppity and relatively undefended Americans...

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


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The government employees were going after taxpayers! The TEA Party needs to run with this!

Cruz Calls for Abolishing IRS, Moving to ‘Simple Flat Tax’

Don't miss the forest for the trees, or let an opportunity go to waste. I'd prefer a national sales tax, with exceptions for real food and medicine.

The TEA Party should not fail to ram a stake through the heart of the statists and their progressive agenda! It's time to dismantle the IRS, Obamacare and the Department of Education, off the top of my head. That's just for starters.

1 posted on 06/03/2013 11:02:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The problem with a national sales tax is that rent seekers would forever be lobbying congress to exempt their products. This put politicians right back where we don’t want them, trading favors for campaign cash

It’s also a burden on business, making them the tax collector for the man.

I prefer a flat tax for these reasons.


2 posted on 06/03/2013 11:20:46 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police canÂ’t solve a problem with brute force, theyÂ’ll find a way to fix it with brute forc)
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To: neverdem
I'd prefer a national sales tax, with exceptions for real food and medicine.

With the size of the tax, there will be a black market the size of Montana, just as there already is with cigarettes and alcohol. With a black market that big, the government will become an active participant in EVERY transaction, even barter. If you don't want government intrusion, why do you want that?

3 posted on 06/03/2013 11:23:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: neverdem
But my friend got to the essence. He wrote, “The left likes to say, ‘Watergate was worse!’ Watergate was bad—don’t get me wrong. But it was elites using the machinery of government to spy on elites. . . . It’s something quite different when elites use the machinery of government against ordinary people. It’s a whole different ball game.”

This is very close to a point I've been making when people compare Benghazi to Watergate (often even having the nerve to say Watergate was WORSE!!).

In Benghazi, people died due to real-time incompetence/dereliction of duty on the part of responsible people. In Watergate, a POTUS concealed AFTER THE FACT a burglary, the victims of which were merely other politicians, barely even sentient organisms. Certainly not on a par with the value of the life, or even the inconveniencing, of a private citizen.

BUT...since Nixon was a Republican (and kind of a paranoid dick), Watergate was a big deal.

4 posted on 06/03/2013 11:24:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Valpal1

Employers are already tax collectors robbing our paychecks for the man! Sales taxes and such were what we grew our great nation on...job taxes are what has destroyed it...largely.


5 posted on 06/03/2013 11:25:56 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: neverdem

Great article. Great point that the IRS is going after US.

Sorry, but promoting the flat tax as a response misses the point entirely. Remember that they are also using the ATF, OSHA, EPA, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!

There is something very serious going on here and you want to play whack-a-mole with the Federal alphabet agencies?!

Now is the time to go after the head of the octopus, not cut of an arm.


6 posted on 06/03/2013 11:31:30 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Valpal1
I prefer No federal taxation, except as a percentage of whatever each state collects. The CATO Institute calls this Reverse Revenue Sharing

This would "get the federal government out of the business of taxation and would instead allow for 50 different experiments in optimal taxation across the different states."

7 posted on 06/03/2013 11:39:22 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Valpal1

Businesses already collect sales tax for the man.


8 posted on 06/03/2013 11:41:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Valpal1

Whatever tax regime one prefers, it should have one and only one objective - raising revenue. Social and financial goals should be addressed by separate legislation.


9 posted on 06/03/2013 11:45:37 PM PDT by monocle
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To: Carry_Okie
With the size of the tax, there will be a black market the size of Montana, just as there already is with cigarettes and alcohol. With a black market that big, the government will become an active participant in EVERY transaction, even barter. If you don't want government intrusion, why do you want that?

Because I don't want an IRS. Nothing is perfect in this world. We should favor investments and savings. A ‘Simple Flat Tax’ will be dogged by requests for deductions and exemptions. Let the states collect it. States can behave like the original intent of the Constitution.

10 posted on 06/04/2013 12:04:14 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem

Peggy Noon an

Regardless

Part of the problem not the solution

An emotive beltway woman daft to the winds of discontent


11 posted on 06/04/2013 12:11:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: the_Watchman
Sorry, but promoting the flat tax as a response misses the point entirely. Remember that they are also using the ATF, OSHA, EPA, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!

I don't think that you read what I wrote in comment# 1 after the link.

12 posted on 06/04/2013 12:15:25 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: the_Watchman
That’s what makes this scandal different, and why if it’s not stopped now it will never stop.

The author still didn't quite "get there."

These aren't mere scandals. They're crimes.

At best, the attacks represent independent attempts at self-preservation by the administrative state. The Tea Party is hostile to all alphabet agencies, and they simply fought back.

At worst, and probably closest to the truth, these crimes represent an acceleration of rat tactics to eliminate opposition and create a de facto one party state.

As you pointed out, since several agencies colluded, it means they were coordinated by higher ups. The higher ups above the cabinet level is the White House.

Nixon was a piker.

13 posted on 06/04/2013 2:04:14 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: neverdem; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; Voter#537; ...

The only way to abolish the IRS is to replace the income tax with a National Retail Sales Tax, like the FairTax.

A “Flat Tax” is still an income tax, and the IRS would remain large and intrusive, even in the “Flat Tax” world. IOW, as long as Americans are required to report their income to the government, there would be government poobahs interested in finding out who was telling the truth about their income.

In the FairTax regime, Americans would be encouraged and rewarded for earning as much money as they were capable of, and taxed on it when and only when they consumed it.

Imagine that! Having the FReedom to work, earn, save and invest without government interference!

How much money a working person earned would be nobody’s business but the working person!

The real issue is FReedom, folks.

All else is window dressing.

To find out for yourself how the FairTax works, check it out at http://www.fairtax.org.

We simply must not let this opportunity to abolish the IRS pass us by!


14 posted on 06/04/2013 3:04:03 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

The fair tax is the best way to go!


15 posted on 06/04/2013 3:12:35 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Even if we grant that there will be a sizable underground economy (a “black market”) under the FairTax (which I don’t), the profits FRom the black market will, at some point in time, be taxed.

The existing “black market” is sizable — I have seen estimates ranging up to one trillion dollars, and ALL of that money is not taxed.

Do some research on the subject “FairTax and the underground economy” and you will come to understand that the underground economy siphons a great deal of money out of the economy under the current system.

Due to the fact that under the FairTax, all consumers are treated equally (same tax rate on purchases) one can make a credible argument that the underground economy will shrink under the FairTax.


16 posted on 06/04/2013 3:23:07 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: neverdem

Bump


17 posted on 06/04/2013 3:27:53 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Taxman

The “underground economy” arguments don’t move me an inch ... We abolish the IRS and put each states INDIVIDUAL revenue departments in charge of collecting the “FairTax” just as they NOW ARE with state sales taxes.. it’ll just be a larger cut... no change in needed manpower or expense to businesses, just a simple one time reprogram of their cash registers... Let the states retain a large percentage ,, say 75% in-state and only forward 25% to D.C. as an incentive to correctly collect the taxes...


18 posted on 06/04/2013 3:52:02 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: Taxman

Totally agree with your post.


19 posted on 06/04/2013 3:52:08 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: neverdem

If a scandal erupts in DC and nobody in the MSM covers it, is it still a scandal?


20 posted on 06/04/2013 3:53:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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