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What do the Rand Paul supporters think -- is this a sensible, winning strategy or betrayal of conservatives?
1 posted on 06/02/2013 7:39:36 AM PDT by Innovative
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Conservatives support candidates who are Conservative. Race and religion shouldn’t even be a factor, and for the most part it’s not. It’s the dems who are the racists.


111 posted on 06/02/2013 4:26:07 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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I’m surprised Rand Paul said this... The Republican Party, not to its credit, has tried strategy of liberalizing its position (unofficially), putting moderate (aka social liberals) as their poster children for political offices nationwide, and ate its own when it came to sticking up for American values (ex Todd Akin and Mourdock), for negative gains, not to mention truly damaging the moral standing of the Republican party itself. I will never (And i mean it!!) vote for a candidate like Romney again! I will never vote for a social moderate, or a liberal, again. It makes me sick! Republicans need to shut up, and return to it’s Reaganesque conservatism, and yes, i mean neo-conservative values. Forget about isolationism, forget about NOT being the worlds police. We have that mantle, and to disregard it is dangerous for Americans at home!


113 posted on 06/02/2013 4:32:24 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum/Perry or Perry/Santorum 2016)
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We’ll win when Catholics start returning to the Church. In the past several elections (i don’t remember how far back exactly but i think it goes back to FDR times) the president elected has ALWAYS garnered the catholic vote. And that’s because we make up about a quarter of the population of the US. Part of its the Republican’s fault ( not standing firm on social issues), but a lot of the problem is the Church in the US! bishops refuse to take firmer stances on what moral truths. That must change, and it has to change soon!


115 posted on 06/02/2013 4:38:36 PM PDT by FutureRocketMan (Santorum/Perry or Perry/Santorum 2016)
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I hope his point is that we need to articulate our values to ALL people and convince everyone who's willing to listen of the rightness of our position.

If he means compromising our values to attract all and sundry--sorry. Tried that. No one follows a squish.
118 posted on 06/02/2013 5:06:43 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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What do the Rand Paul supporters think -- is this a sensible, winning strategy or betrayal of conservatives?

Winning strategy. What Rand means, I think, is that we can win over members of other minority and ethnic groups into a belief in Freedom. Freedom is a potent force, capable of opening the eyes of even the most closed minds.

Also, it is my experience that, no matter who the public figure is, it's virtually impossible to agree with any individual on every issue.

Allen West, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney (lol), Rand Paul; whoever you can mention as one of your political heroes, I guarantee that there will be specific policy positions with which you will disagree. It's inevitable.

So, acknowledging that fact, I think that if Rand Paul's comments include "winning over" such people to embrace the core of a general belief in Freedom, minimal government, anti-Tyranny, and so on, then, yes, that's a winning strategy.

We have to understand that the best way to heal this country is to educate these low information voters into becoming high information voters. When that happens, our side begins to win the debate.

No matter how righteous our cause is, we will never be able to coerce our political enemies into adopting our views, and, given the demographic realities, educating them so that they can intelligently join with us is the only logical way to proceed.

No matter how deep the notion is submerged and repressed, we know that almost all human beings long for Freedom. We just have to awaken them to that. And FR, however imperfect its denizens may be, is an instrument to that end.

121 posted on 06/02/2013 7:18:50 PM PDT by sargon
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I was kind of liking Rand recently and would have supported him on the 2016 ticket. But if this is his attitude, then I can’t support it. As far as I’m concerned, the rest of America needs to look like the Tea Party. Which is to say, employed, productive, moral, self-reliant, responsible, honest. If Rand thinks we’re all supposed to go on welfare, just who does he think is going to pay for it?


123 posted on 06/02/2013 8:47:03 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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What do the Rand Paul supporters think

I'm a Rand Paul supporter but I'd ask him: When does the innocent blood stop flowing?

Psalm 106:37-39
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.

126 posted on 06/03/2013 3:32:03 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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The GOPe nominated a NE liberal RINO last time and we had Dole and McCain....

I agree, the GOP should be more open to CONSERVATIVE views.


127 posted on 06/03/2013 3:33:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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oh. I misunderstood. I thought he was saying the GOPe, after McCain, Dole and Romney should try being more open to conservatives....

:p


128 posted on 06/03/2013 3:34:59 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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as a Republican who cares about the environment

as opposed to the vast majority who want the world to be a toxic waste dump I guess....

129 posted on 06/03/2013 3:35:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Figuring out Rand Paul is pretty simple. He’s using the political tactics that Democrats have been using pretty effectively for the last 20 years. There is little doubt as to the general direction of his ideology. He’s at least as committed to limited, Constitutional government as any Senator up there, and is solidly pro life.

When there’s a controversial issue that could hurt him, Rand triangulates. That’s very obvious on immigration. So obvious that it’s a little disappointing that more Freepers can’t see it. These “big tent” speeches are the equivalent of “where do I get me a huntin’ license?” The media hasn’t been able to lay a glove on him yet. The meme is that the GOP has to broaden its base, so he goes out and says the GOP needs to do just that, but he’s not going to change his position on anything.


143 posted on 06/03/2013 5:52:08 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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What an effing idiot


150 posted on 06/03/2013 9:48:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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Rand Paul: 'When Republican Party looks like the rest of America, we'll win'

Does the Democrat Party "look like America"?

162 posted on 06/04/2013 10:24:11 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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