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How Romney could have won the popular vote (It all came down to turnout)
Daily Caller ^ | 06/01/2013

Posted on 06/01/2013 5:31:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

White and Hispanic turnout fell from 2004 to 2012, according to a new study by the Center for Immigration Studies based on newly-released U.S. Census data.

Had turnout equaled what it was in 2004, 4.7 million more whites would have voted in 2012, of which 4.2 million were not college graduates, according to the study.

Obama received five million more votes than Romney.

“As Republicans think about how they can expand their voter base, the new data suggest that one of their biggest problems in the last presidential election was that so many less-educated whites sat home,” said Steven Camarota, CIS’ director of research and author of the report. CIS favors low levels of legal immigration

“These voters, who have been hit hard by the recession, have traditionally supported Republicans,” Camarota said. “It seems likely that by supporting the Schumer-Rubio amnesty, GOP legislators would further alienate these voters.”

To win the popular vote with female support, Romney would have needed four extra percentage points of the women’s vote (48 percent rather than the 44 he actually received), with each percentage point equating to 714,000 votes.

To earn the popular vote with blacks and Hispanics, Romney would have needed an extra 15 or 23 percentage points, respectively. But the statistics regarding whites demonstrated how closely the Republican candidate came to a plurality win.

With one percentage point of the white vote equating to 980,000 votes, Romney would have won the popular vote with a mere three percent greater turnout.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: damnlies; elections; flawed; flawedanalysis; obama; popularvote; potus; romney; romney2012; statistics
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course it came down to turnout.
He was an anti-gun big-government quasi-leftist.
Ergo he didn’t get the turnout.


121 posted on 06/01/2013 12:23:08 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: x; SeekAndFind
Romney was a poor candidate, but was there really a candidate out there who could have done better?

Any of those conservative candidates you mentioned would have clearly declared the differences between Obama's failed socialistic policies and the conservative policy positions they supported, Romney didn't.

All of those conservative candidates would have never supported Abortion or the Gay Agenda like Romney did AFTER he won the nomination.

Each of those conservative candidates, if they had not been defeated by a completely flawed primary system and the LIES and money of Romney, would have trounced Obama, precisely for the reasons mentioned in the previous paragraph.

You are parroting the false, and failed talking points of that creep Rove and the GOP-e.
122 posted on 06/01/2013 12:25:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Innovative

You don’t remember Reagan well, but Mitt Romney does, Mitt left the party because of Reagan, Mitt’s father ran as the anti-war liberal, against Reagan for president.

Mitt didn’t vote for Reagan and presumably didn’t vote for HW Bush in 1988, since Mitt was supporting ONLY democrats, and FUND RAISING AS A DEMOCRAT AND VOTED DEMOCRAT IN THE 1992 PRIMARY.

Mitt returned to the GOP in October 1993 and ran as a dedicated advocate of the homosexual agenda and for abortion, he ran as a dedicated pro-choicer who came from a family of courageous pro-abortion promoters from before Roe v Wade, He ran on Romneys as PIONEERS OF PRO-ABORTION COURAGE.


123 posted on 06/01/2013 12:26:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: SteveAustin; Verginius Rufus
1) We no longer have an electoral strategy. CO, VA, NM are likely gone for good. VA, FL and NC may be gone for now.

Why, what proof do you have to support that position?

Roughly 93 million eligible voters did not vote in 2012 nationally.

I wonder how many of them were from Colorado.

I wonder how many of them would have voted if our side, the GOP, had actually given them a reason and a candidate to vote for?

Instead we got a Massachusetts liberal, posing as a Republican, who refused to fight, refused to support limited government, supported Abortion, and supported the Gay Agenda.

We can sit and delude ourselves that the Candidate was not the issue all day long, and delude ourselves that another loser moderate can win the next election, or we can do the work necessary, cleaning up the nomination process, getting our conservative candidates elected for every lower level position we can, and convincing our neighbors, our families, etc., that the conservative candidates are the ONLY ones that can turn the current malaise, the current socialistic direction of the country.
124 posted on 06/01/2013 12:30:58 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

The real discussion is how the wealthy Mitt Romney shaped the choices for two election cycles.

We can go back to 2005 and 2006 to see how primaries are shaped by a moneyed power and early fund raising signals among the elites, telling potential candidates that they best not join the fray this time, and it would pay to do that since we will see it this time as well with the rino branch, although, I don’t know how we fight it.


125 posted on 06/01/2013 12:31:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12; Tennessee Nana

But, you’re happy with your President Obama. That’s all that matters.


126 posted on 06/01/2013 12:40:03 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Innovative

Compromising with Socialists makes you a Socialist. Please move out of the US. Useful idiots not wanted here. Either you are with us or against us. You choose poorly. 50 years of you compromising has improved nothing. Over my dead body will I ever be a sellout such as yourself.


127 posted on 06/01/2013 12:41:00 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SoConPubbie
What such a candidate would gain in conservative votes, he or she would lose in more moderate votes.

Do you really think the Democrats didn't have enough stuff (real or imagined or concocted) to pummel them with?

128 posted on 06/01/2013 12:45:02 PM PDT by x
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Stop the false argument. You are the one who compromised and let Soetoro win. Two can play your silly argument. Compromise with Socialists and you are a Socialist. You have no argument.


129 posted on 06/01/2013 12:45:44 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SteveAustin

The first thing the GOP should have learned is to not run a candidate who is against the party’s pro-life platform and who has spent 20 years promoting homosexualizing the military and Boy Scout leadership, who introduced “gay marriage” to America and gave us Obamacare, and who thinks that gun owners are psycho killers who want guns for the “sole purpose of hunting down and killing people”.

In a practical sense, something that even you might understand and accept about practical politics inspite of your committed liberalism Do not choose a candidate who in 20 years of running for office, has a single victory to his name, and who SERVED A SINGLE TERM AS GOVERNOR, WHICH WAS A FAILURE, IN WHICH HE COULDN’T RUN FOR REELECTION, AND WAS FORCED OUT WITH 34% APPROVAL and 54% DISAPPROVAL AND WHO LOST THAT SEAT TO THE DEMOCRATS.

When the left wing of the party is so dedicated to such a political nobody, such a proven loser, then it shows that they have moved beyond mere politics, they have joined the left in promoting an anti-conservative agenda against America.


130 posted on 06/01/2013 12:49:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: SeekAndFind

















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131 posted on 06/01/2013 12:52:16 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Piss upon Obama, and his False Prophet Mohammed)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

LOL, please don’t waste freerepublic’s time with childishness.


132 posted on 06/01/2013 12:53:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; Finny
So, you’re saying you voted for Obama.

Are you willing to make the assertion that someone staying home is "a vote for Obama"? Or someone voting third-party?
If so, why?

133 posted on 06/01/2013 12:55:35 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Are you willing to make the assertion that someone staying home is "a vote for Obama"? Or someone voting third-party?

Yes.

Because if you are a legitimate voter, and didn't put a mark in the opponents column which cancels out a RAT vote, you let that RAT vote stand. Enough of those, and the RAT wins.

Next question.

134 posted on 06/01/2013 12:58:54 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: SteveAustin

So there you have it. Solve the problems above and we get the White House back. Otherwise we can only hope to hang onto the House for another ten years.


Even accepting your facts at face value, there is no evidence the beltway GOP is doing anything about the changing electorate. They ran a tip toe loser strategy, lost and nobody got fired for it. Then those same idiots put together a boondoggle autopsy report, punted on obamacare with another CR surrender, etc., etc.. Now the latest is the willfully dishonest campaign to shove amnesty down our throats and violate our constitutional rights. That is a bridge too far in my book.

As long as the current loser leadership is in charge, the GOP is going continue to lose. The first order of business should be to remove them. No removal, no grassroots support. Let them choose. I have made my decision. I will no longer be a GOP plantation voter. They will have to earn my vote.


135 posted on 06/01/2013 12:59:07 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind
the new data suggest that one of their biggest problems in the last presidential election was that so many less-educated whites sat home

Boy that's rich. I ditn't reelise I wuz so less edumacated than ery one else wuz. Being self taught in four foreign languages and all.

And here all along, I thought I stayed home because Myth Romney was a pro-abort, pro-socialist medicine, gun-grabbing, pro-homo "marriage" supporting northeastern liberal with the spine of a cooked noodle that thought arming democracy loving rebels Al-Qa'ida was a grand idea.

I dun reckon I haft to get me as smart as eryone else iz to see he wuz such a severe consrvative worth votin for.....becuz Ize just to dum to see that he wuldnt efen mention the sitt-cheeashun with the ambasseedor gettin raped and kilt with for other 'Mericans was actually a good thing.

136 posted on 06/01/2013 1:03:04 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: OneWingedShark

The poster voted for Socialist lite, which in the poster’s mind makes him superior. Now what part of Socialism does he support?


137 posted on 06/01/2013 1:03:27 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Are you supporting Rubio and his amnesty bill? Put your cards on the table. If Romney was so great I suppose amnesty is also?


138 posted on 06/01/2013 1:04:53 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: ansel12
Shhh don't confuse people with the truth. It makes it hard for them to sleep at night.

I like to ask if Hillary had switched to the Stupid Party and ran against 0bama would they vote for her since her stances on faggot "marriage", guns, abortion, and healthcare are near identical to Romney's. If so, why so and if not why not?

I've yet to receive a response other than name calling.

139 posted on 06/01/2013 1:07:13 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
>> Are you willing to make the assertion that someone staying home is "a vote for Obama"? Or someone voting third-party?
>
> Yes. > Because if you are a legitimate voter, and didn't put a mark in the opponents column which cancels out a RAT vote, you let that RAT vote stand. Enough of those, and the RAT wins.

Ah, you're going to make this easy for me then -- Your assertion boils down to "no vote for anyone but my guy is valid" for the simple reason that you repudiate the free choice for anyone else.

Illustrated:
A, B, & C are running for a position; the incumbent is A, your candidate is B, and C is another contender. You are saying that every vote for C is a vote for A, therefore if everyone voted for C it is the same as voting for and electing A, according to your statement -- therefore no vote other than that for your own candidate is valid.

Next question.

I thought that the "if you don't agree with us, your opinion doesn't count" attitude was the hallmark of the progressive mode of thought — what makes your attitude any different?

140 posted on 06/01/2013 1:08:29 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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