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Why low-skill immigration is different than free trade
The Examiner ^ | May 21, 2013 | Conn Carroll

Posted on 05/21/2013 10:43:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

McClatchy Newspapers has an excellent story on immigration today, reporting on how farmers are framing the debate to their representatives:

Walk the aisles of any neighborhood grocery store today and you’re as likely to find tomatoes picked in Sinaloa, Mexico, as Central California or oranges from Sao Paulo, Brazil, as Bradenton, Fla.

Farmers across the country warn that shoppers will find even more imported food on their store shelves if Congress fails to pass immigration legislation that would guarantee them enough workers to milk their cows and harvest their fruits and vegetables.

“The bottom line is people need to decide whether they’d rather import their labor or import their food,” said Randall Patterson, a China Grove, N.C., farmer who grows strawberries, cucumbers and watermelons among his crops.

This is exactly right. The debate over low-skill agriculture labor is really a debate over whether or not the United States wants to import more food from other countries, or import more low-skill labor to harvest food grown here. If Schumer-Rubio passes, farmers will be able to import more farm-workers, thus keeping their labor costs low. If Schumer-Rubio does not pass, farmers will be forced to pay higher wages, thus making them somewhat less competitive compared to foreign competition. More food will have to be imported.

But there is a very big difference between importing food and importing low-skill labor. When we import Oranges from Brazil, American taxpayers don’t have to pay for the health care consumed by the workers who picked them; Brazilian taxpayers do. When we import tomatoes from Mexico, American taxpayers don’t have to pay to educate the children of the workers who picked them; Mexican taxpayers do.

But when we import laborers from Mexico and Brazil, it is American taxpayers that have to pay for the health care, food stamps, education, and other programs that benefit those who live in the United States. As The Cato Journal noted in 2012:

U.S. employers enjoy benefits from immigration, in terms of higher productivity for their operations, while taxpayers pay for the education and health services that immigrant households receive. Taxpayers thus subsidize employers in agriculture, construction, meatpacking, restaurants and hotels, and other sectors that have high levels of employment of low-skilled immigrant labor.

The Schumer-Rubio bill currently being marked up by the Senate Judiciary Committee is really just another massive farm subsidy program paid for by American taxpayers. There is nothing conservative about it.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; freetrade; illegalimmigration; immigration; lowskill
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1 posted on 05/21/2013 10:43:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama; 1010RD

ping


2 posted on 05/21/2013 10:44:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Deport the illegals and inform the slacker citizens that unless they work for a living, they will starve.


3 posted on 05/21/2013 10:49:40 AM PDT by soycd
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To: soycd

Something on the order of 70% of our current farmworkers are US citizens so give me a freakin break on how we need to give amnesty to 11-20 million illegals to stay competitive.

We have a multitude of guestworker programs to let people come in and pick crops and then go home.


4 posted on 05/21/2013 11:08:59 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Raise the import tariffs, deport the illegals and put Americans back to work.

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5 posted on 05/21/2013 11:09:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 1rudeboy
There is a difference?

Both policies result in the American wages being depressed and loss of jobs in what I consider to be in the traditional employment sector.

Now paging Cringing for his response.

6 posted on 05/21/2013 11:14:05 AM PDT by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: buckalfa
You didn't have to ping anybody, I'll just add the following so we can avoid the wait:

We need to bring back American jobs.
Tax imports.

7 posted on 05/21/2013 11:20:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The Free Trade lunatic and Open Borders fanatic thinking only in economic terms are helping to throw our nation under “Third World” rule.


8 posted on 05/21/2013 11:24:15 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 1rudeboy

The Free Trade lunatic and Open Borders fanatic thinking only in economic terms are helping to throw our nation under “Third World” rule.


9 posted on 05/21/2013 11:25:10 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Truly spoken by someone who, in the future, will wonder why he cannot find oranges at the grocery store. In December.


10 posted on 05/21/2013 11:26:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Preaching to the choir here. I wouldn’t even allow foreign workers in temporarily. We have more than enough able bodied youth to do the work. Quit giving them a free ride and put their lazy butts to work!


11 posted on 05/21/2013 11:28:11 AM PDT by soycd
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To: 1rudeboy

“When we import tomatoes from Mexico, American taxpayers don’t have to pay to educate the children of the workers who picked them; Mexican taxpayers do.

“But when we import laborers from Mexico and Brazil, it is American taxpayers that have to pay for the health care, food stamps, education, and other programs that benefit those who live in the United States.”

An excellent, concise argument. Plus, any talk of $20 lettuce is an easily provable lie.


12 posted on 05/21/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
The Free Trade lunatic and Open Borders fanatic thinking only in economic terms are helping to throw our nation under “Third World” rule."

Thank you. Some offer more than profits for the good of our country. Trade means we buy product from you and you buy product from us. Not we ship you our jobs, factories and treasuries for expendable consumer items.

13 posted on 05/21/2013 12:08:07 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: 1rudeboy

Not true at all as we will all probably be dead from the parasites and bacteria coming in with the food. Health issues are also overlooked by the “economic thinker.”


14 posted on 05/21/2013 12:12:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 1rudeboy

This is why free trade is for idiots. Put tariffs up on foreign produce and put up a fence on the Mexican border. Enforce all our immigration laws and have a computerized visa check in check out system with biometrics and fingerprints. This way American farmers get protected and same for their workers. Where I live I see lots of foreign produce. I could care less if tariffs keep it out

I suppose if the illegal aliens get an amnesty within 5 years we’ll have a new crop of illegals in the fields and agricultural processing who will want an amnesty


15 posted on 05/21/2013 12:16:14 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Something on the order of 70% of our current farmworkers are US citizens”

This 70% would be green card holders and US citizens. Many illegal aliens just want legal residence and could care less about becoming a citizen. Not that I would give them an amnesty/ Let them life in the shadows. None of this lala land “Path to citizenship” Actually they want a “path to green card”

Then they can come and go from the USA and not fear deportation. When they visit back home they can scheme how to bring other family members here....illegally. Only US citizens can bring in family legally which take awhile so they bring them in illegally. One big 3rd world style mess


16 posted on 05/21/2013 12:22:39 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

If you don’t know how to prepare food for your own consumption, you are beyond help. And the government will not protect you, even though you wish it could.


17 posted on 05/21/2013 12:23:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The bacteria enter into the food and absent specialized tests cannot be detected by ordinary means and will not be eliminated by ordinary precautions. Have you not been following the food poisoning articles? Of course “our government” will not help us as they will be members of the “Third World” and want us out of the way.(listen to their leaders.) Close the borders, throw out the alien invaders, stop worryiing about paying $0.02 more for lettuce, impose tarrifs to jump start critical industries and protect ones country not China and Mexico.


18 posted on 05/21/2013 12:53:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Bacteria exist. You remind me of those people who caterwaul about illegals when E. Coli pops up somewhere. Newsflash for you: it’s found in dirt.


19 posted on 05/21/2013 1:02:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
No E. Coli is found in the intestinal tract of humans and a another variety is found in the intestinal tract of cows-(and other mammals.)They are transmitted to humans due to unsanitary conditions in the fields such as crapping where lettuce is grown, using unsterilized fertilizer and grinding up sh*t filled intestines. Most people in other countries do not believe in the Germ Theory and think disease comes from witchcraft, bad winds and evil eyes. Go down on Hollywood Boulevard and look at all the "Botanicas" they all exhibit catholic religious symbols in their shop windows,but that is a cover for the fact they are witch doctors "Curanderos" if you please. God Help us once a malignant disease germ mutates and these people go to "witch doctors" and it then spreads as it is bound to do. This is part of which "Free Trade" and "Open Borders" has brought us.

"Those who think only in Economic terms are ever victims of those who don't"- Oswald Spengler 1922

20 posted on 05/21/2013 1:18:15 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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