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How to kill Obamacare without even trying
The Daily Caller ^ | May 8, 2013 | Yates Walker, Conservative Activist

Posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Ezekiel Emanuel, a noted oncologist, has helped advise the Obama administration in its effort to create an economic system larger than France’s economy to distribute health care services to over 300 million people. Together, those facts encapsulate the essence of our federal government: hopelessly overextended, devoid of caution and chock full of hubris. If that isn’t succinct enough to signal the coming disaster that will be Obamacare, then Emanuel’s recent column in the Wall Street Journal should tip the balance.

Coincidentally, the column was about me, or, more appropriately, about a class of the peasantry to which Doctor Emanuel has assigned me. That group, which he calls Young Invincibles, consists of American men under the age of 35 who haven’t purchased health insurance and, worse, don’t think they should.

In a refreshingly honest appraisal, Emanuel admits that Obamacare will virtually self-destruct if my demographic doesn’t come to its senses. The program depends on the full participation of the American citizenry.....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; emanuel; evilemanuels; ezekielemanuel; obamacare; osamacare; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; rahmemanuel; younginvincibles; zerocare
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1 posted on 05/09/2013 6:48:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Men under 35 don’t need health insurance. Sure there is a rare exception but to have millions of young men throw away a billlion plus dollars for nothing is insane. I didn’t have it, didn’t need it. And neither did any of my friends or family at that age.


2 posted on 05/09/2013 6:54:53 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I view this theory as very flawed.
I lurk on some forums where there are a lot of 20-somethings.
(trying to plant some seeds of common sense)

STDs are rampant in that group, although incredibly under-reported by the MSM.
They actually care very much about health benefits.
And a significant reason why this was a winning factor with this group in the election.

Back in the 60s when I was that age, nobody gave a rip about “health insurance”.


3 posted on 05/09/2013 6:55:57 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does this imply that young men are healthier than young women and that women need to be provided monetary assistance from (gasp) men for health?

What about overseas Americans? Can they get insurance and if they do not, are they taxed?

Are illegal immigrants paying into the system and if not, why not? How does an illegal immigrant file a US income tax return?

In this so-called “recovery,” how many 18-29 yo men living in the USA actually have jobs that pay enough that allow them to be able to afford health insurance?


4 posted on 05/09/2013 6:58:59 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A lot of people will get hurt in the shake out, however.

My wife and I paid 17,000dlrs last year for healthcare (premiums + deductables). And are healthy save for the spousal unit getting a cataract fixed last year.

We are about to drop health care altogether (already did dental) if premiums continue to go up. They did 25% January 1. We will gamble the
“system” will find some equilibrium that we can afford.

2.5 years from Medicare and holding my breath!

5 posted on 05/09/2013 7:03:46 PM PDT by llevrok (2013: - Obama vs America. The new cold war)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TOTALITARIANCARE BUMP!


6 posted on 05/09/2013 7:07:36 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Deathtomarxists

That is why Obamacare fines it out of you as a tax if you don’t have a plan. Either way they get you.

If you are so poor as to not have anything to worry about, then you would be on welfare anyway.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 7:08:33 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did this guy not listen to any of the Supreme Court debate? Does he know anything about what happened in Massachusetts besides what he skimmed in a think tank report?

The whole point is that he is going to be required to buy insurance whether he wants to or not.

At first the fine may be cheaper than buying the insurance, but if Massachusetts is any predictor, then the fines will increase until pretty much everyone joins.

This guy should just save us the time of hoping that he may one day get a clue and just become a liberal right now.

Either that or a naive shill for hedge funds.

8 posted on 05/09/2013 7:14:43 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Post o’ the Evening. Excellent.


9 posted on 05/09/2013 7:15:43 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ezekiel Emmanuel is Rahm’s brother.


10 posted on 05/09/2013 7:21:43 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Deathtomarxists

Ditto.


11 posted on 05/09/2013 7:25:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Deathtomarxists

It seems to me like most people, particularly guys, could do quite well with just a high deductible hospital plan to cover anything major.

Neither my mom or my dad had any health coverage, even though they both worked full-time all their lives, until they were old enough to qualify for Medicare.

I still contend that people, regardless of their age, should be able to pick and choose what they want covered and what they don’t. But it always seems to get back to the issue of my having to pay for someone else’s illness. I really have never felt any compulsion to be my brother’s keeper, just my immediate family members and even then, only up to a point.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 7:26:49 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
At first the fine may be cheaper than buying the insurance, but if Massachusetts is any predictor, then the fines will increase until pretty much everyone joins.

Well, the fines are set by law, aren't they? Or does HHS have the statutory authority to jack up the fines as they feel necessary (and if they do, wouldn't that be a violation of the Constitution and Sep of Powers, given that the fines have been defined as "taxes" by our beloved Chief Justice?)

My understanding is that while the fines are on a graduated scale for the first couple of years, they are capped. And there's a threshold where the number of people choosing fines over insurance no longer generates enough revenue flow into the system to keep it afloat.

One thing that I've wondered is if it would be possible to crash ObamaCare though what amounts to a medical denial of service attack: flood the healthcare system past the point of saturation by making an appointment to see doctors for every little thing. There's going to be rationing regardless. Going to see a doc for every bruise and scrape (even demanding tetanus shots?) is going to add the kind of burden on the entire system as the uninsured current add to going to hospital ERs for minor ailments ...
13 posted on 05/09/2013 7:33:17 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

“We will hang capitalism!” — Lenin

“Where will get so much rope?” — his ‘comrades’

“They will sell it to us!” — Lenin

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 7:53:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I been saying this since its been passed. The mandate fine is a joke.

Young and healthy have no reason to comply. That will make it fail.

However, don’t expect voters to agree to give up free stuff(health care) . They very well may just demand more.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 7:59:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: nascarnation

“STDs are rampant in that group ... They actually care very much about health benefits.”

Obamacare mandates a one-size-all-covers-everything-conceiable policy that will probably cost an individual $5,000 a year. Within a couple of years that will probably double. Wouldn’t they find it cheaper to pay $50.00 for the antibiotics to treat these STDs than pay 5-10K a year when they’re otherwise healthy?


16 posted on 05/09/2013 8:38:22 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Deathtomarxists

>> Men under 35 don’t need health insurance.

Catastrophic they should have, and if family, insured mandatory for the wife/kids.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Grams A

“It seems to me like most people, particularly guys, could do quite well with just a high deductible hospital plan to cover anything major.”

Obamacare outlaws all such plans, and mandates that only a very expensive, covers-everything-plan will be legal.


18 posted on 05/09/2013 8:40:44 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In a refreshingly honest appraisal, Emanuel admits that Obamacare will virtually self-destruct if my demographic doesn’t come to its senses...actually Obamacare will be doomed if that demographic does come to its senses - and realizes it's being used to finance care for the rest of the population, shifting the money it's being forced to pay for services it won't need for years to people who aren't paying for the full value of the services they're receiving right now - if his demographic does come to understand how cynically they're being manipulated by the Government, it will be over for Obamacare.....
19 posted on 05/09/2013 9:03:14 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: catnipman

I know, I know. I was just whining.


20 posted on 05/09/2013 10:34:38 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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