Posted on 05/04/2013 9:27:17 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen
On May 4, 1970, four Kent State University students were killed and nine injured when members of the Ohio National Guard opened fire during a demonstration protesting the Vietnam War.
In 2010, the site of the Kent State University shootings was placed on the National Register of Historic places by the Department of Interior with support of the Ohio Preservation Office. Carole Barbuto, a communication studies professor at Kent State University who was a junior there in 1970, spoke to Behold about some of the more than 4,000 images (many from student photographers) the university has in its archive related to the events around May 4. Since 2001, Barbuto has taught a course titled “May 4, 1970, and Its Aftermath” and she also led the photo selection process for the May 4 Visitors Center. “It’s a difficult story to tell,” Barbuto said. “It’s a very complex story. There are still many unanswered questions.” Barbuto spoke about her personal and historic knowledge about the famous images, sharing her insight and observations about the killings 43 years later:
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What do you do when the protester whops you in the face with a rock?
And how do you deal with the legal fallout?
That is what Kent was about
The Mob did not move.
You are absolutely correct. The commies were hoping for a galvanizing action that would bring down “Amerikka” in their twisted world. I was a college student at the time in a midwest college. The college political science prof was outraged when all the students showed up for class the next day. When he expressed his disappointment that we weren’t out demonstrating, one student stood up and told him the students who got shot were asking for it. Of course, some of the people killed were not the ones assaulting the soldiers. I just wish the bullets had hit the SDS bas.....s who organized the slaughter.
However, breaking up a riot is done DO IT! “Peaceful Protest” in the street is a Marxist tool. It is not “the right to petition the government”, or “free speech” guaranteed by the Constitution. There never has been, there is not now nor will there ever be a “peaceful” street protest.
That depends. I think we have collectively witnessed millions of Tea Party protestors gathering and not one single person arrested for acting in any sort of lawlessness. Maybe that's why nobody pays any attention to our protests.
That was a long time ago!
What difference does it make?
Thanks for all the responses. I like to post historical topics because my Freepers provide facts and insights that the liberal media and PC revisionists refuse to address. Can someone recommend a good summary of the KSU shootings?
I think you're not serious, but in case someone is paying attention to you:
1. Yeah, let's mow down those troublemakers at the March For Life. We must have order!
2. Both the kid in Tiananmen Square and the tank driver are better Americans than you.
3. The problem is too much order! America has become a nation of docile sheep having freedom after freedom shorn. You got your way. We fear the state. It's supposed to be the other way around.
Enjoy The Homeland, comrade.
The rock is what your body armor, helmet and face guard are for; the bayonet is for use when any body gets within arms reach with the intent of doing harm.
Modern firearms and ammunition are designed to penetrate and inflict significant damage to tissue and organs if they are hit and to keep going on to the next object in line until the projectile meets the proverbial immovable object.
The wounds inflicted by modern weapons, if they don’t cause almost immediate death will require a major trauma unit and major surgery to save a life if even possible.
The genius of a bayonet is that the force can be variable; you can slash or punch straight through and give it a twist to cause death; or you can apply just enough thrust to inflict a relatively minor wound that will require a few stitches, but is sufficient to take your opponent out of the fight.
The application of force is a science that needs to be applied correctly. If a three year old child is throwing a tantrum you don’t beat the child with a baseball bat, you turn the child over your knee and and apply about three or four reasonable whacks to their bottom and let them know their behavior is unacceptable.
The legal fallout is the province of lawyers and courts; considering the fact that the mob has already broken laws and committed various crimes against persons and property, I would hope that the people responsible for disspursing the mob would be on reasonably firm legal ground.
Contrary to what president Obunghole said during the election campaign, the bayonet is still a primary weapon of (can be) less than lethal force for crowd and mob control.
Generally speaking a mob or a group of rioters are not trained to deal with a bayonet advance, the ones in the front of the line will go to great lengths to get out of the way; once a few minor jabs and slashes have been delivered.
Trust me, the mob WILL move because their only other choice is to escalate, and at that point we lock and load and people start to die.
America has deteriorated a lot, but hopefully we will never sink to getting a leader who thinks like you.
Since you said campus, that may be, but a year later 13,000 Americans were arrested in Washinton DC and held in jails and deternment camps, and the 82nd Airborne and the United States Marine Corp were involved by the many thousands.
""At one point, so many soldiers and marines were being moved into the area from bases along the East Coast that troop transports were landing at the rate of one every three minutes at Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland, about 15 miles from the White House. Among these troops were 4,000 paratroopers from the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division.""
Reading your In-Forum posts, I don't believe you meant to say that it's OK to gun down Americans who disagree with the policies of the incumbent administration. I hope...
Rioting in the streets is never a "Right" guaranteed by the Constitution. People who support such behavior probably have a tingle in their legs whenever the mob beats a cop or breaks a capitalist's windows. I think such suporters have their pulse and breathing rates increase up to a peak and then there is a sudden release of tension just as a rock hits a window.
My father was a state police in Michigan during the '68 riots in Detroit. The rioters were starting fires to lure in the emergency personnel so their snipers could take them out at a distance. That was a HORRIBLE time for our family, knowing that anyone who responded to an emergency was the primary target for urban terrorists. At that time - the state police, first responders, and national guard were under continuous urban assult and showed unprecidented restraint while being ambushed by assasins.
Having said that, I don't believe the Kent State affair is on the same level as the riots across our major cities in '68 or '69. There were no leftist snipers on the roof tops picking off firemen responding to fires started by the agitators. There were no urban knife fights or gun battles at every inflection point.
There is NO equalivancy whatsoever - in dogma or tactics to the urban riots in the late '60's. The protests at Kent State were impetent, kiddy trantums, compared to the urban riots of the late '60's!
Read post 73 referring to your nutty post calling for gunning down American protesters without restraint.
Thank God that Americans have so far succeeded in keeping people like you out of leadership in this nation.
You make Obama look positively patriotic, you are so scary.
G. Washington is our greatest leader according to my reading of history. I have nothing but admiration for his entire biography. The only thing I fault him for is the repression of the Whiskey Rebellion.
“I had long believed, and still believe, that the troops should read the protestors the “Riot Act” and if the “protestors” refuse to disperse and go home then shoot them down without restraint.”
So comrade, with you about half of the Bill of
Rights is out the window?
I was serving in the US Army in Germany during May 1970, and planned to return to being a student the next year.
IOW I wasn’t on any side. Just a citizen. A citizen that remembered the Chicago PD bashing heads during the Chicago 1968 Democratic Convention. And now two years later more heads being bashed, and shooting them on a campus.
Not anything our nation can be proud of. Fortunately most Americans were repulsed about shooting citizens in the streets.
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